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Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by StreamBright »

coeroble wrote: post #30
StreamBright wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can i use this?

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by mehrdadn »

makecheck wrote: post #29
winrid wrote: post #19

The whole user experience of installing Windows 10 is abysmal. Wife got a new laptop and I watched her to the initial setup. Stupid things like an "enter your pin" dialog that automatically opens another dialog that closes if you hit enter. So you quickly type your pin and hit enter and just see the dialog flash. Or the confusing "remove" button for the fingerprint scanner setup that just removes all of your fingerpr…

Something is very weird about window displays in general. Take the list of wi-fi networks; sometimes the entire thing will just stop appearing , doing nothing when you click the icon! I eventually figured out that if I use Windows Search to pull up the WiFi Settings panel, and manually click the list of networks there, then the list is fixed (it does not appear in the Settings window though; it just pops up where it…

> I cannot fathom what implementation could be so complex that they can’t achieve full test coverage on something like whether or not a damned window appears when required.

It does seem that complicated from my observations. Notice that it's not a regular window, but part of the overriding/overlayed renderer (DWM? something else?) that draws stuff on top with grayscale smoothing (Direct2D? DirectWrite? something else?)... which probably involves lots of communication between several processes. It feels like an incredibly heavyweight UI component, just judging from the lag between when the icon is clicked and when the list of networks pops up.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by juststeve »

quickben wrote: post #41
coeroble wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They released a new version of LTSB (well, they call it LTSC now) just a few days ago, based on this last version. I made a clean installation today. en_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_74865958.iso No Store, no Cortana, no Edge, Windows 7 calculator, no Candy Crush, no bullshit. Don't miss out. ;-)

Apparently the rebrand of Windows as a Service started. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by mehrdadn »

m-p-3 wrote: post #86
SteveGerencser wrote: post #60

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We have 4 windows 10 machines here and a metered satellite internet connection for internet service. Didn't really think about it much until they pushed an update to all 4 machines the week after our monthly meter tripped on our service. Next thing I knew I was on throttled internet for 3 weeks. Setting all the machines so that they don't update turned out to not be too hard, but was FAR harder than it needed to be.…

Isn't there an option to distribute updates to computers on the same network to reduce WAN data usage? Delivery Optimization: https://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-to-stop-windows-10-from... And there's ways to set the Ethernet connection as metered if you search a little bit online.

So, at best, that would have cut his data usage to 25%. I don't see how you assume this would've solved the issue when we're taking about such a massive update of an OS.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Data_Junkie »

coeroble wrote: post #45
capdeck wrote: post #43

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Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

Linux desktop is in its best shape since its inception, and yet a thousand light years away from Windows.

Not if the point is to get work done. I see a new version of Windows and my reaction is usually " oh that's nice, to bad it's MS and at some point it will be pathetic ". Because I know it's coming, it always does and it's always worse than the last thing that pissed me off. Linux Desktop is light years ahead if the point is to get stuff done and not hate your machine.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by lostlogin »

ezoe wrote: post #25

I keep Windows just for gaming so I am immune to this issue. Hell, I even wish Windows installation completely break so I can try Wine. What I don't get about Windows Update is, that it requires multiple reboots. Why? Also it took long time to process something on first login after the update. What are they doing?

There is a teacher in the house and their relatively new laptop is a complete POS for many reasons, but the windows side of things is an abomination. It has to be opened for a few a while each week to let it download, restart and generally make a fool of itself. If you don’t the software update debt compounds rapidly and it completely breaks.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

satya71 wrote: post #44
wetpaws wrote: post #37

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Hint: there is 3rd one

There is, but it's worse. Especially since GNOME 3. I know you can use MATE or Cinnamon, but it's not the default on any of the major platforms.

They technically have defaults, but when the difference for most distributions (e.g. Debian) is just checking a different box in the installer, it seems like a silly thing to complain about.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by technion »

ttul wrote: post #10

Is this incompetence the result of Microsoft being unable to retain decent engineers? I mean, who actually would want to work on the next Windows release? You’d have to be a masochist.

Are they actively trying?

I'm thinking back across years worth of recruiter spam and Microsoft would be the only major company that's not represented.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by mehrdadn »

warent wrote: post #100
winrid wrote: post #19

The whole user experience of installing Windows 10 is abysmal. Wife got a new laptop and I watched her to the initial setup. Stupid things like an "enter your pin" dialog that automatically opens another dialog that closes if you hit enter. So you quickly type your pin and hit enter and just see the dialog flash. Or the confusing "remove" button for the fingerprint scanner setup that just removes all of your fingerpr…

> ... dialog that automatically opens another dialog that closes if you hit enter. I rarely get upset at computers these days, but this is one of the things that easily boils my blood. It happens with Windows and macOS machines at the most inopportune times. I'll be typing and hit enter, seeing a mysterious dialog appear and vanish in a flash as it stealthily hijacked my "Enter" stroke. "Great, who knows what I just…

This is already done though? It's known as focus stealing prevention. One of my gripes with Linux is that it doesn't work well there, but I've found it is already very well handled in Windows; the trouble only comes up if (a) you pause too long for it to realize you're still typing, or (b) the app goes VERY out of its way to steal your keyboard (like hooking global keyboard messages) which is extremely abnormal. I'm surprised if you regularly experience otherwise.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by quickben »

coeroble wrote: post #23
newnewpdro wrote: post #8

It has never ceased to amaze me the abuse MS customers continue to tolerate. Edit: Not that I'm suggesting Apple is any better. Proprietary software in general tends to exploit its users in various ways, if not initially, eventually.

I don't understand how having a data loss bug means Microsoft is "exploiting their users"

It is simple. They are unpaid QA department now.
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