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Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by JoshuaAshton »

bsimpson wrote: post #66

Speaking personally (I happen to work at Google, but not on mail): The combinatorics of supporting multiple versions of a product get expensive very quickly. It's the same reason that web platform changes now affect evergreen browsers directly (even with the occasional breaking change), rather than introducing more modes like quirks and strict. Every variant you introduce grows the surface area for bugs and security…

I mean... if it takes 23 seconds to load on my machine, and the old version took less than 3, maybe its not worth maintaining the new version to begin with. Just a thought.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by matthewmacleod »

system2 wrote: post #74
begriffs wrote: post #31

Why not use a desktop/mobile mail client of your choice to access gmail over open protocols? Then they can clown up the web UI all they want and it won't matter to you.

If you are using multiple machines, your desktop client will be a huge headache to set up each. Business computers at work have outlook, but personally, I cannot use the client(s) for my 6+ separate computers. Browser email is the way to go.

Mmm I’m sure you accept that’s an extreme minority requirement.

Anyway, what’s painful about setting up multiple clients?

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by Freak_NL »

annadane wrote: post #6

Seen this type of comment thread before countless times on the Google support forum. They'll placate the complainers by saying they're listening to feedback and then only pay heed to the positive comments and not change a thing. De rigeur for businesses. The general type of dishonesty is quite amazing. Yes, people are maybe excessively resistant to change, but when everyone is telling you something sucks, your custom…

The folks at Google aren't idiots. They now that there is a vocal minority of complainers, most of whom will accept the new UI after a week or two. For a customer base the size of GMail, placating every complaint is just not in the interest of their business.

That is one of the downsides of dominant marker players. Microsoft had the same leverage with Windows 10 (this round of complaints feels similar, although the focus is different).

People who don't like it should use IMAP/SMTP (until GMail shuts that down), or vote with their wallet and go somewhere else. The world could do with more competition for email.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by izacus »

annadane wrote: post #6

Seen this type of comment thread before countless times on the Google support forum. They'll placate the complainers by saying they're listening to feedback and then only pay heed to the positive comments and not change a thing. De rigeur for businesses. The general type of dishonesty is quite amazing. Yes, people are maybe excessively resistant to change, but when everyone is telling you something sucks, your custom…

"Everyone"? What do you base everyone on? The same set of complainers on HN in comments?

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by matthewmacleod »

system2 wrote: post #78
Nicksil wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But even if they were 100,000 That would still be representative. A sample. I don't understand your argument.

Simply put, normies count. Not us. Even if 1% (few million users?) are upset now, this wouldn't make google change their mind serving 99% unaware users.

This is how we get crap everywhere.

“It’s fine, only people who know what they’re talking about eilll realise how slow it is” is a terrible view to have when developing a piece of software!

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by dancek »

alphakappa wrote: post #11

Everyone hates UI changes. Wait 6 months and it will be the new normal.

Indeed. And it's not only websites, either.

Consider all the people who still use sysvinit and (a fork of) GNOME 2. (Yes, I think many who oppose systemd do so because of the UI change.) And consider the much larger group that initially opposed that were strong opponents for a while but have now moved on.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by m_mueller »

themodelplumber wrote: post #56
JamesAdir wrote: post #43

The UI is horrible and it has already been discussed in many places, but to me the slowness is the no.1 problem. I thought it was just a hiccup when they had it on optional mode, but now it's plain slow. I've tried on different connections and different browsers and they all seem to generate the same result. Super slow loading times of the interface and the emails. I still remember when gmail was the fastest kid on t…

Man, last week a friend asked me to set him up with an email account through Dreamhost shared hosting. My first reaction was "who does this anymore" but after 10 minutes passed (he already had a website there) I was sending him IMAP server information and thinking, "I have got to move on something like this, I'll bet it's 200% faster than current GMail." It's not going to be a GSuite-level toolset for him, of course,…

Isn’t spam the main problem nowadays? I find a hosted mail unusable without some spamfilter in front that is either costly or comes with your corporate accounts.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by begriffs »

system2 wrote: post #74
begriffs wrote: post #31

Why not use a desktop/mobile mail client of your choice to access gmail over open protocols? Then they can clown up the web UI all they want and it won't matter to you.

If you are using multiple machines, your desktop client will be a huge headache to set up each. Business computers at work have outlook, but personally, I cannot use the client(s) for my 6+ separate computers. Browser email is the way to go.

> a huge headache to set up

OK, but "huge headache" is somewhat exaggerated. For many clients, gmail connection settings are a preset option, where you enter a username and application password. It's a one-time configuration.

> outlook

My condolences.

> my 6+ separate computers

You are perhaps an outlier? But I can see how it's a hassle in your particular case.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Post by realusername »

Mystrl wrote: post #90
realusername wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just loading the empty Google maps page (just https://maps.google.com ) takes at least 5 seconds for me. During that time, it's doing so much stuff in the background that it makes the input on the left lag, so during that time, you realistically cannot do much, otherwise you risk to mistype your search. Every Zoom/Unzoom animation is lagging a lot, the problem is they added that everywhere to make it fancier: - When…

Might just be you. It loads in under a second for me.

On which browser? On my case if I open Chrome it loads under a second as well, but I'm using Firefox unfortunately.
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