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Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every other founder is virtually unknown before they become known. Is he unknown because he lives in China and didn't attend Stanford? What does it mean that he is Unknown ?

> Every other founder is virtually unknown before they become known Not really. Tesla's founder was well known, for example (as a founder and exiter of another company). Ditto for the founder of NeXT. And "unknown" here also means not born with a silver spoon, no heir, no previous positions eg. as CEO/CTO somewhere, no major tech connections, etc.

> Tesla's founder was well known, for example (as a founder and exiter of another company).

Tesla's original founders are indeed "unknown."

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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> Bytedance now faces questions over when or even how it will start making a profit. $75B value and it still faces the most basic question. Makes me feel I don't understand business at all. Also its main app seems to be musically. I have only heard of it but it seems a little to an app like Dubsmash. Did dubsmash ever make any money? What is the business model for such apps?

Ahhh so that's what it is ... There is a tons of ads for musical.ly on youtube these days and I wondered who was burning so much cash to acquire users

You likely mean ads for TikTok which Musically merged into after being acquired.

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I’ve been telling people about TikTok for a year now, since I live between Asia and the US lately. Most people don’t get it, or understand why it’s so big. The western variant Musical.ly doesn’t help, as the content (which reflects the culture) is different, and not in a good way. The recent efforts to merge the two apps are a huge mistake in my opinion. The beauty of Douyin was the innocent, childish creativity that…

> Most people don’t get it, or understand why it’s so big. I'll bite. What is it and why it's got so big?

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Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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Here's me, wandering around the internet for multiple decades now. Tuning into Slashdot for maybe 10 years, HN for about 5 years, I'm tuned into pretty much all of the new school recent developments and current events, across a wide range of technologies, and I've never heard of this particular company, neither heard nor used of any of its products, nor heard mention of any of them, until right now, today, and it's t…

Sorry to sound harsh. Maybe it's time to burst out of the English/US bubble and look at what's happening around other parts of the world. Come to think of it, maybe I should start a blog focused on covering tech in China. Edit: To give some context, out of 10 videos that I see on facebook, about 3 of them are "directly taken" from douyin. You can spot them because they have the watermark in Chinese. Granted my social…

I'd love to read a blog on tech in China or other places!

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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>35-Year-Old Unknown First of all, that's rude. Second, if they have a $75b valuation and no profit plan, that's not likely a good sign. I doubt China's P2P and venture capital markets are related, but I'd bet they gave a high valuation just to grab headlines. Also, it'll eventually get censored like everything else in China, so 'doing better than Baidu' is probably temporary.

>First of all, that's rude. Real question: Is there some social etiquette rule that says describing a person to a news audience as "unknown" is being rude? Honestly, I've never heard of that. If I created a billion dollar company and Bloomberg called me "an unknown" , I'd consider it a massive compliment. It means that I was able to grow the company totally under the radar without any distracting interview requests f…

In this context, unknown could be pretty easily with calling someone a nobody.

A nobody, compared to who? A status quo? Innovation is about outliers getting things done.

Whereas a success like this would normally be celebrated to the moon and back. Why not here? Is this individual's success outside a self-congratulatory echo-chamber?

With media it's worth asking questions about the use of words, because they wordsmith for a living.

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Unknown" is not an insult. It's not rude. It just means that he was not prominent before this company. It's actually somewhat of a compliment, because you generally expect gradual rises in fame and performance, not meteoric ones. So to say " unknown X does great thing Y" is more complimentary to X than saying "X does great thing Y".

whose definition of 'prominent' ? many, many assumptions there

I am simply observing the general meaning of unknown in the context of statements like this in the English language. I suspected that the person I was replying to might be unaware of this meaning based on their reaction, and was trying to clarify. I really don't think there are many assumptions here. This is by far the most common interpretation of unknown in sentences like this.

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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My opinion on the long term potential of China's short video platforms has changed completely in the last three months. Used to be high on it, but now I think it's useful but not to this hyped up level, not even close.

The majority of videos on Douyin belong to one of these three categories, 1, girls putting on crazy amount of makeup staring at the camera or lip syncing. The platforms's software are often used to make the eyes larger and legs longer, to ridiculous degree. 2, cats, dogs and other pets, 3, tens of thousands of people imparting universal wisdom to you on how to get rich quickly, become a skillful pickup artist or life guru, etc.

Other than these three types, there are very little left. Of course you may find it differently. But IMO shortage of quality content will be a big problem going forwad for these platforms. In general most people in every country don't have the skill to produce videos of good quality, coupled with China's tight control on what can be shown, it's becoming suffocating for creativity. For example comedies or poignant news commentaries are very rare. A lack of respect for intellectual rights is still a problem in China, endless copying and pasting and boring and fake stuff. Anyway, content shortage is a problem everywhere, but it's just terribly bad in China.

Also, unlike say Facebook or Wechat, these video platforms lack the relationships between users that keep people around. Sure you can leave messages on Douyin but there are basically zero long term interactions going on. People on Douyin always tell others to meet at Wechat or Weibo or other places. Douyin is simply not made for social networking, and I don't see it can change that.

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

#108

Here's me, wandering around the internet for multiple decades now. Tuning into Slashdot for maybe 10 years, HN for about 5 years, I'm tuned into pretty much all of the new school recent developments and current events, across a wide range of technologies, and I've never heard of this particular company, neither heard nor used of any of its products, nor heard mention of any of them, until right now, today, and it's t…

Sorry to sound harsh. Maybe it's time to burst out of the English/US bubble and look at what's happening around other parts of the world. Come to think of it, maybe I should start a blog focused on covering tech in China. Edit: To give some context, out of 10 videos that I see on facebook, about 3 of them are "directly taken" from douyin. You can spot them because they have the watermark in Chinese. Granted my social…

I would read that blog. Provided that I get notified of it's existence somehow.

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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post #9

>35-Year-Old Unknown First of all, that's rude. Second, if they have a $75b valuation and no profit plan, that's not likely a good sign. I doubt China's P2P and venture capital markets are related, but I'd bet they gave a high valuation just to grab headlines. Also, it'll eventually get censored like everything else in China, so 'doing better than Baidu' is probably temporary.

Honestly, we the lesser mortals do not know what goes behind the closed doors when cheques like $1.5 billion are written.

People said the same thing when Microsoft valued Facebook at $15 billion. Now, in the hindsight, it seems so funny that people frowned upon those valuations.

Power of having many consumers engaged on your platform is too much in digital age.

Re: Bytedance said to be valued at over $75B in new round

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My opinion on the long term potential of China's short video platforms has changed completely in the last three months. Used to be high on it, but now I think it's useful but not to this hyped up level, not even close. The majority of videos on Douyin belong to one of these three categories, 1, girls putting on crazy amount of makeup staring at the camera or lip syncing. The platforms's software are often used to mak…

What do you think the vast majority of people's facebook/instagram/twitter/reddit feed's look like. The answer is those things too.
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