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The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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They're in the same order as the front page

If the /rss query always return the current front page order articles, then I wonder how RSS subscription services work to mark some of them read and some not. Should probably need to know how RSS actually works.

Well formed feeds have unique id's per item, that stay the same even with title or order or timestamp changing.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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As I point out occasionally, most hard news sources have RSS feeds. The New York Times, Reuters, the BBC, CNN, and Fox News all have RSS feeds. The Hill, Roll Call, and Politico have RSS feeds. The Congressional leadership has an RSS feed. NASA and the ESA have RSS feeds. The National Weather Service has RSS feeds. New York City and the LAPD have RSS feeds. If it matters, it's probably in an RSS feed. It's social med…

Interestingly, Bloomberg doesn't have RSS feeds.

They have some. I use RSS to get Matt Levine's column, for example.

Link: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/rss/contributors/matt-levine....

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Having worked at a giant company, I know there are many competing motivations, teams, and personalities involved - companies are not uniform entities. Still... Google Reader did more to destroy my perception of Google's reputation than everything else evil they've ever done. Conspiracy to suppress wages for tech workers, James Damore, the Snowden revelations - all of those bugged me, but not like Reader. They killed…

In terms of tech evilness, those aren't really comparable, they're more political. Reader's shutdown, after monopolizing neAly RSS tech and in order to push their own flavor of the year (Plus), was a classic tech evil The other evil that Google is perpetrating is AMP. Reader followed an "embrace and extinguish." AMP is a full on "embrace, extend, and extinguish."

Did ex-Microsoft people join the Google Plus team?

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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Missing some important discussion topics such as PubSubHubub and WebSub. As the Web-based ad industry continues to crumble under the ideal of privacy as a basic human right my vision brings Web feeds back into the limelight but not as a metadata description frameworks but as monetized content upgrades.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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As I point out occasionally, most hard news sources have RSS feeds. The New York Times, Reuters, the BBC, CNN, and Fox News all have RSS feeds. The Hill, Roll Call, and Politico have RSS feeds. The Congressional leadership has an RSS feed. NASA and the ESA have RSS feeds. The National Weather Service has RSS feeds. New York City and the LAPD have RSS feeds. If it matters, it's probably in an RSS feed. It's social med…

I agree, I don't know where this idea that RSS died is coming from. RSS seems to be doing just fine. I use Feedly to subscribe to dozens of feeds. Before that I used Google Reader. I subscribe to more feeds now than I did then.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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I've been wondering why Feedly, which I use exclusively to follow webcomics, has been hammering me with ad copy about "the news you need to stay on the cutting edge" lately. (RSS is, like, objectively the best way to follow multiple webcomics. I don't understand why it's not more popular.)

> (RSS is, like, objectively the best way to follow multiple webcomics. I don't understand why it's not more popular.) The core feature of RSS is that it takes content and moves it from a site the publisher controls and into one the reader controls. This is immensely valuable to readers! It's perhaps less valuable to publishers, however. Many publishers invest significantly in adding value to and gaining value from t…

If the "economic" publishers all agree to be monetized and harvested by Facebook and Google, this could be a self-correcting dynamic.

The only people left using RSS will be the classic web of independent readers and writers, who are still free to donate directly to each other with only a payment processor as middleparty.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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I dont know if that’s true. If I could consume Facebook via RSS, I might follow it a bot more. When I wanted to respond or like, I would have to switch to the app.

FB couldn't collect data on your usage from an RSS feed, which is what they use to drive their advertising platform, which you are also not participating in. So having you read outside of FBs site or app is not in their best interests.

You would think that small and upcoming social media sites would support RSS, at least to attract users.

Apparently Mastodon generates an Atom RSS feed for every user, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16755553

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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post #90

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I've been wondering why Feedly, which I use exclusively to follow webcomics, has been hammering me with ad copy about "the news you need to stay on the cutting edge" lately. (RSS is, like, objectively the best way to follow multiple webcomics. I don't understand why it's not more popular.)

I use RSS for webcomics as well as visiting the actual websites, but a few things: 1. You miss out on the aesthetics each comic's website brings to the table 2. Sometimes you miss things like "hidden panels" or blog posts you're interested in. 3. No advertisement money going towards the artists (Not a big deal if you support them by buying merch and the comics don't need a lot of bandwidth) I would really love to dev…

I don't think 1., 2., and 3. is applicable to at least how I use my RSS reader. Also, I don't understand why that is not the norm...

The way I use my RSS reader is that I scroll through the list of posts, and if it's something I wish to check back on later, I press the shortcut to send it to instapaper, and if it's something I wish to check now, I press the shortcut to open it in a new tab, and then I go on. When I'm done, all posts have been marked as read, and then I have a few tabs open that I immediately check out, and a few links in instapaper that I check out later. I never actually read an article or a comic or a video in my reader. It's terrible interface, I find. I much rather check out the actual website. I do the exact same for instapaper; open in a new tab and archive the link.

Re: The Rise and Contentious Fork of RSS

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wondering why Feedly, which I use exclusively to follow webcomics, has been hammering me with ad copy about "the news you need to stay on the cutting edge" lately. (RSS is, like, objectively the best way to follow multiple webcomics. I don't understand why it's not more popular.)

I use RSS for webcomics as well as visiting the actual websites, but a few things: 1. You miss out on the aesthetics each comic's website brings to the table 2. Sometimes you miss things like "hidden panels" or blog posts you're interested in. 3. No advertisement money going towards the artists (Not a big deal if you support them by buying merch and the comics don't need a lot of bandwidth) I would really love to dev…

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