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#102

For those of us scrubs just learning guitar, do you have a guide on how to use this? or a link to a good guide?

If you like playing electric guitar, then Rocksmith should be part of your learning tools. Much more fun imho than any of the other methods, well except for being part of an actual rock-band.

https://rocksmith.ubisoft.com/

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#103

This is great! I'm not actually sure how prominent the CAGED sequence is in guitarist circles, but I was thinking it might be helpful to indicate the chord shapes. Hope you can continue hosting it - I might use this to practice my scale visualization.

> it might be helpful to indicate the chord shapes

You can select notes on the innermost ring in the circles.

For example, select G as the base in the middle ring. Then select 1, M3 and 5 on the innermost ring. The fretboard will show you all the possible ways to finger the G major chord.

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Can you explain what you mean by this- > If you choose the frequency 440hz, jump down one 7-semitone step and up 5, you have an A major scale Also I have one more question about - when making chords using the 3rd and 5th step, for a note on the right boundary of this n 2n interval, I would jump into 2n 4n interval, right? But I'd I were not using chords then is "all" (simplified) music made in only only one x 2x rang…

> jump down one 7-semitone step and up 5 A (440 Hz), down to D. A, up to E, up to B, up to F#, up to C#, up to G#. Sort: A B C# D E F# G#. This is the A major scale.

If I can wear out my welcome,

I can see the construction from D onwards - jumps of 7, but how did you get to D? The instruction was 7)semi tones down, which from A is D "in previous scale"), but what about the 5 semi tones up?

One new question that popped in my mind- is this series of instructions (7down, 5up) a reverse engineering of the A major sequence to fit the 7- jump rule or is there some theory about it? I have no clue what different scales even mean or what major and minor means. Feel free to ignore the new questions (or the old one!)

Re: Show HN: Guitar Dashboard – Open source music theory explorer for guitarists

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Each doubling of frequencies is divided into twelve somewhat evenly-spaced semitones. If you go up seven out of twelve (using index 0 for your initial frequency), that's essentially half way to the doubling of the frequency with a ratio of 3:2. E.g., if your starting frequency is 440, going up seven steps will give you a note with a frequency of 660. Another way of dividing up the space between a frequency and it's d…

Thank you, that was a detailed answer that gave me a lot of new things and I have a new question and some old questions- You are saying there are 8 notes in an octave, but we only selected 7 notes after selecting 7th semi tone 7 times. I think you said the 8 note is 2x the original. Is that correct understanding? So I got the point about 2^(1/12), what I didn't get is the staring point for A major and the jump struct…

I actually didn't realize that the notes of the major scale and it's modes were contiguous on the circle of fifths until seeing guitardashboard.com last night. That's what the down one, up five is saying.

A fifth is seven semi-tones above the root. It has a 3:2 frequency ratio to the initial note. It so happens that if you jump up by seven semi-tones five times, you've got most of the major scale, albeit strewn over 3 doublings of the initial frequency. Usually, the major scale is thought of as occurring within a single doubling so in the key of C you'd have to divide the frequencies D and A by 2; E and B by 4 to get back into the original n2n range. Any time you double or halve the frequency you get a note with the same mood/purpose/name but one octave higher or lower. The frequency ratios end up something like this:

C = 1

G = 3/2

D = (3/2)(3/2) (/2 to get back to the initial range)

A = (3/2)(3/2)(3/2) /2

E = (3/2)(3/2)(3/2)(3/2) /2/2

B = (3/2)^5 /2/2

There's one note missing, though--the one with a 4:3 frequency ratio: F. To get that one, we invert the 3/2 relationship and take the frequency that's 2/3 of our initial frequency. That's in the halved range, n/2n, though so we've gotta double to get back into our starting range. This is the one time we go down seven semi-tones instead of the five times that we go up.

I'm not sure how useful it is to think in these terms but it does show that you can derive the major scale by using simple ratios which, psycho-acoustically speaking, are generally considered more pleasant than complex ratios when played at the same time. The relationship between B and C, (3/2)^5 == 243/32 is already pretty tense. E.g., you could alternate between two notes with that ratio to make it sound like Jaws is lurking somewhere nearby:

https://youtu.be/BX3bN5YeiQs

Sticking with the simpler 3/2 makes it sound like Superman is here to save you so you can relax:

https://youtu.be/e9vrfEoc8_g

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#106
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The Modes should be in order, Ionian - I Dorian - ii Phrygian - iii Lydian - IV Mixolydian - V Aeolian - vi Locrian - vii Otherwise its a really useful tool, great job.

I don't agree - the modes are presented here in the order of change from the major scale, which I've found is often the best way to get people to understand how they work. One man's method, etc...

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> jump down one 7-semitone step and up 5 A (440 Hz), down to D. A, up to E, up to B, up to F#, up to C#, up to G#. Sort: A B C# D E F# G#. This is the A major scale.

If I can wear out my welcome, I can see the construction from D onwards - jumps of 7, but how did you get to D? The instruction was 7)semi tones down, which from A is D "in previous scale"), but what about the 5 semi tones up? One new question that popped in my mind- is this series of instructions (7down, 5up) a reverse engineering of the A major sequence to fit the 7- jump rule or is there some theory about it? I ha…

The blog means two different sequences of jumps. The sequence of down-jumps begins from A. Then the sequence of up-jumps begins from A.

{jumps down: 1, jumps up: 5}

First, you start from A, and execute the down-jumps. In this case, there is only one. Then you start again from A (returning to A is not counted as a jump), and execute the up-jumps.

> Up two 7-semitone steps and down four gives you A minor.

Up-jump sequence: A, up to E, up to B.

Down-jump sequence: A, down to D, down to G, down to C, down to F.

Sort: A B C D E F G

I don't know what's behind this idea, or how useful it is. It seems to work, though. But I think there are simpler ways to construct the scales. Or just memorize them.

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#109

For those of us scrubs just learning guitar, do you have a guide on how to use this? or a link to a good guide?

Richard Lloyd (formerly the guitarist for the proto-punk band Television) has a few great lessons on YouTube that teach theory and the circle of fifths very effectively:

https://youtu.be/mNmEq-cP9Oo https://youtu.be/9lSifKZ80H4 https://youtu.be/fjWFqz1Sjps

Lloyd is a bit eccentric in person and in his methods—he's very opinionated, but IMO that's one of the things that makes him a great guitar teacher.

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Thank you, that was a detailed answer that gave me a lot of new things and I have a new question and some old questions- You are saying there are 8 notes in an octave, but we only selected 7 notes after selecting 7th semi tone 7 times. I think you said the 8 note is 2x the original. Is that correct understanding? So I got the point about 2^(1/12), what I didn't get is the staring point for A major and the jump struct…

The music tradition sees the notes rather as intervals between two notes. C to the same C is "unison" (You may need to instruments to play two identical C notes at the same time.) C to C#/Db (this note has two names) is "small second" C to D is "large second". And so on. C to the next higher C is "perfect octave". So if we take the C major scale, it has 7 different notes. But if we also include the next higher up C,…

> C to the same C is "unison" (You may need to instruments to play two identical C notes at the same time.)

> C to C#/Db (this note has two names) is "small second"

While C# and Db are the same note (in equal temperament [1]), the intervals C/C# and C/Db have different names: C# is called 'augmented unison' [2]. For the name, you start from the basic interval (e.g. C/C) and apply the accidentals (# or b) [3].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_unison [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_(music)

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