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Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by kerbalspacepro »

dang wrote: post #90
kerbalspacepro wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American, I consider a "right" to be something owed to you by other people. The "Bill of Rights" is "the Bill of things the government owes you". So, when I say "Healthcare is a right" I mean that "healthcare is something that the government owes to its people". The debate is unsettled in the United States, correct. We have one party that actively believes that letting people who would otherwise not die is okay…

Please do not use HN for partisan battle. It's always the same, and therefore off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

My bad. The ideological battle helmet blinders fell right into place. [1]

[1]https://www.amazon.com/Armor-Venue-Bascinet-Medieval-Metalli...

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by qwerty11111 »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #31

There's a documentary on Netflix about physicians setting up shop on a race track to offer treatment to the poor and indigent in Bristol, TN: https://www.newsweek.com/remote-area-medical-shows-what-amer... You wouldn't see these scenes in even the most deprived corners of Newcastle-upon-Tyne or the Rhondda Valley. The crowds the event attracts! This is what a developing country looks like.

The average household income in Bristol, TN is $38,895, which is lower than the US average. The average household income in the UK is $32,247.

Stats are from statista and US Census. This 'third world' area in middle America is richer than the average household in the UK.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by qwerty11111 »

glup wrote: post #65

Median adult wealth in the UK is almost double the US ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe... ). This article is somewhere between methodologically lax economics and UKIP drivel.

You're confusing wealth and income. Americans earn more but save less.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by dang »

pluto9 wrote: post #98
dang wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were both steering into it, but it's a matter of degree. That comment was at least about something specific, and I wouldn't call it fact-free. It has a link to an interesting-sounding documentary, plus I assume the commenter knows something about Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Your comments went straight down a generic ideological tangent. That's the worst, most tedious stuff. Also, yours were snarky, which makes flamewar…

It's not the documentary I object to, it's the baseless assertion that things like that never happen in the UK (maybe they don't, but some evidence would be nice), and that a single incident in rural Tenessee (which I know something about, as I also do about developing countries, having been to several) is enough to judge the entire country. I'm not sure what you're calling "generic ideology"--my comments about the d…

We don't claim to be objective. That would require arhat levels of self-knowledge. But we do try.

People with the opposite ideology to yours perceive HN as having the opposite bias. I was keeping a list of these for a while. Here's a sample:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098840

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16407769

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16750306

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17248326

This phenomenon has been studied. It's called the Hostile Media Effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22hostile%20media%20effect%22....

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by pluto9 »

dang wrote: post #104
pluto9 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the documentary I object to, it's the baseless assertion that things like that never happen in the UK (maybe they don't, but some evidence would be nice), and that a single incident in rural Tenessee (which I know something about, as I also do about developing countries, having been to several) is enough to judge the entire country. I'm not sure what you're calling "generic ideology"--my comments about the d…

We don't claim to be objective. That would require arhat levels of self-knowledge. But we do try. People with the opposite ideology to yours perceive HN as having the opposite bias. I was keeping a list of these for a while. Here's a sample: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098840 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16407769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16750306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=172…

> Fun fact

Who's being snarky now?

> I was keeping a list of these for a while.

Those are people complaining about other HN commenters. I'm talking about you specifically unevenly suppressing conservative posts. Just look at your comment history to see how many people complain about that, and how few complain in the other direction.

> We don't claim to be objective.

And yet you post that tiresome Hostile Media Effect link every time someone calls you out for it. Yes, we know it's a thing. No, that doesn't automatically mean that's what's going on here. No, it is not reasonable to think that everyone is wearing ideological blinders except you.

Ban me if you want. You're not moderating, you're taking sides.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by mikeash »

paulddraper wrote: post #87
mikeash wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m going a bit further and suggesting that free time ought to be incorporated into “wealth” somehow. After all, time is money.

The great depression had a lot of people with a lot of time. "Rich with time", you might say.

That’s why I want to incorporate free time into “wealth,” not replace it altogether.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by dang »

pluto9 wrote: post #105
dang wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't claim to be objective. That would require arhat levels of self-knowledge. But we do try. People with the opposite ideology to yours perceive HN as having the opposite bias. I was keeping a list of these for a while. Here's a sample: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098840 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16407769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16750306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=172…

> Fun fact Who's being snarky now? > I was keeping a list of these for a while. Those are people complaining about other HN commenters. I'm talking about you specifically unevenly suppressing conservative posts. Just look at your comment history to see how many people complain about that, and how few complain in the other direction. > We don't claim to be objective. And yet you post that tiresome Hostile Media Effect…

It didn't occur to me that 'fun fact' would sound snarky. It really is a curious fact. But I'll edit that bit out above.

You didn't seem to notice that I posted moderation replies to two accounts in this thread: yours and one with the opposing view. Those were the two that obviously broke the guidelines. That's all we're really looking for when we do this; we're not much interested in the opinions.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by kadendogthing »

brightball wrote: post #100
kadendogthing wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would just refer you to the CATO site to have your pick of thoughtful Link 1.

Here. Top of the page. https://www.cato.org/publications/tax-budget-bulletin/tax-re... I look forward to hearing what’s missing from this extremely detailed, 98 citation article.

You mean the 63 citations that are either quotes from news articles or referrals to sister publications? And the rest are just citations to vanilla data?

It's interesting that citations for their actual claims/arguments are completely missing like this:

>Although California is viewed as having perhaps the nicest weather in the nation, it has suffered from domestic out-migration for many years.

>A tax increase in one jurisdiction may cause an initial out-migration to other jurisdictions.

>An income tax increase in a state may cause individuals to out-migrate over time.

>High earners are often entrepreneurs, and they may move their businesses and related jobs with them when they migrate.

>The capping of federal deductibility has increased the state and local tax bite on millions of households in high-tax states. At the same time, today people can easily find information to compare state tax burdens.

CATO is a think tank in the most oxymoronic sense. Fuck off with that "omg big number citation" non-sense.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by glup »

qwerty11111 wrote: post #103
glup wrote: post #65

Median adult wealth in the UK is almost double the US ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe... ). This article is somewhere between methodologically lax economics and UKIP drivel.

You're confusing wealth and income. Americans earn more but save less.

I'm not -- the article is making this mistake. Your second sentence is precisely my point.

Re: Britain Is Poorer Than Any US State (2014)

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Post by aries1980 »

qwerty11111 wrote: post #102
HarryHirsch wrote: post #31

There's a documentary on Netflix about physicians setting up shop on a race track to offer treatment to the poor and indigent in Bristol, TN: https://www.newsweek.com/remote-area-medical-shows-what-amer... You wouldn't see these scenes in even the most deprived corners of Newcastle-upon-Tyne or the Rhondda Valley. The crowds the event attracts! This is what a developing country looks like.

The average household income in Bristol, TN is $38,895, which is lower than the US average. The average household income in the UK is $32,247. Stats are from statista and US Census. This 'third world' area in middle America is richer than the average household in the UK.

Nominally, yes, but you know, for $32K, you can rent a flat, eat healthy food as much as you want and maybe you can even save to travel and see different cultures once or twice a year. If you broke your leg, you don't have to worry about health insurance. I think that's fair. You won't go far earning almost just the national minimum wage in any country, but in the UK, you can have a very stressless life.
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