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Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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#101
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Why? That's the proven strategy to leapfrog yourself into a developed economy. It's what the US, Germany, and Japan all did.

The US, Germany, and Japan are all technology leaders. None of those nations leapfrogged into a developed nation by copying others.

A counterexample: In WW1 German patents were declared invalid in the U.S. The U.S chemical industry basically then copied everything they could from them with the government's blessing.

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#102

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Think of a scenario where certain government employees have accounts on some Private sector service: Maybe a Grindr or Tinder -- if they can work to obtain any sort of compromising information from those services - they can then use it to manipulate government employees ("Do what I say, or i'll out you")... In fact, pretty sure a Chinese co. recently obtained controlling interest of Grindr. https://www.nytimes.com/20…

We can inoculate ourselves to this threat by not caring about what politicians, government workers, and other people in general do in their private romantic lives.

"Do what I say or your wife finds out you're cheating on her" is still leverage even if the public doesn't care that you did it.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#103
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> He learned of the American interest in developing similar machines, and he was also aware of British laws against exporting the designs. He therefore memorized as much as he could and departed for New York in 1789. Textile mills at the time were the modern day equivalent of semiconductor foundries. I dare you to try something like that today and see what happens to you.

You're allowed to walk away from a job and retain the knowledge you learned in that job.

Not if what you know is a trade secret, that you have signed an NDA on.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#104

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Think of a scenario where certain government employees have accounts on some Private sector service: Maybe a Grindr or Tinder -- if they can work to obtain any sort of compromising information from those services - they can then use it to manipulate government employees ("Do what I say, or i'll out you")... In fact, pretty sure a Chinese co. recently obtained controlling interest of Grindr. https://www.nytimes.com/20…

We can inoculate ourselves to this threat by not caring about what politicians, government workers, and other people in general do in their private romantic lives.

Even if I buy your idea that human nature can change that way (and I don’t) you only tackled the ‘C’ in MICE. How do you solve Money, Ideology and Ego?

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#105
post #98

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> He learned of the American interest in developing similar machines, and he was also aware of British laws against exporting the designs. He therefore memorized as much as he could and departed for New York in 1789. Textile mills at the time were the modern day equivalent of semiconductor foundries. I dare you to try something like that today and see what happens to you.

You're allowed to walk away from a job and retain the knowledge you learned in that job.

Not when "he was also aware of British laws against exporting the designs".

And semiconductor technology is generally considered a national secret.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#106

I found it interesting that the espionage is largely aimed at the private sector and not the government: > About 70 percent of China’s overall espionage is aimed at the U.S. private sector, rather than the government, said Joshua Skule, the head of the FBI’s intelligence division, which is charged with countering foreign espionage in the United States. > “They are conducting economic espionage at a rate that is unpar…

China is not a market. It is a very large vendor and customer with many departments. This isn't good or evil, but it may be depending on who you are and what you're willing to stand for.

In a traditional market, the organizers set rules for vendors and customers. The same rules apply to anyone should they decide to become a vendor or customer, but organizers usually avoid becoming a vendor because of obvious conflicts of interest.

If you are a vendor then your customers in China are basically some subsidiary of the very large organization that is China. If you are a customer then you are basically buying from a subsidiary. Since you are dealing with subsidiaries, you have to understand that all the subsidiaries are encouraged to share information with each other to build a stronger China.

Building deeper relationships with a subsidiary means building deeper relations with the whole organization and that means satisfying deeper requirements (taxes, knowledge sharing, local factory, IP sharing, equity sharing). All this is normal if you are say, just two companies doing business with each other. But you aren't. You are a company doing business with an organization who you may be misunderstanding for a market.

Finally, theres the case where two companies merge and share all resources to become a stronger, better organization. Unlike many other countries, the Chinese identity is very much an ethnic and a lingual one. This means that if you are not Chinese, you will never be Chinese. If you aren't already Chinese, then the chances that you will be able to move to China should China become a prosperous society are slim to none.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#107
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This is really nothing different from Anthony Lewandowski and friends.

It would be more like if Uber hired levandowski and he didn't (allegedly) walk away with gigabytes of info and only walked with what was in his own head

Things have changed since then. It's the same data. Your means of recording it has just changed.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#108
post #15

I found it interesting that the espionage is largely aimed at the private sector and not the government: > About 70 percent of China’s overall espionage is aimed at the U.S. private sector, rather than the government, said Joshua Skule, the head of the FBI’s intelligence division, which is charged with countering foreign espionage in the United States. > “They are conducting economic espionage at a rate that is unpar…

It would be humorous if they recruited employees of startups, the philosophy of moving fast and break things along with spends as much money as possible as fast as you can will have China using sub-par software and bankrupt within months, countries can't pivot and looking for exit through acquisition would be nigh impossible!

What's an anti-startup dude even doing on HN? Makes no sense.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#109
post #29

> "I recently saw that Twitter is cancelling, I don’t know, millions of fake accounts, and our request would be maybe LinkedIn could go ahead and be part of that" Wow. Strong language from the head of the U.S. National Counter-Intelligence and Security Center

Wow, the US security apparatus is truly pathetic and outdated. No wonder China has pilfered trillions of dollars of IP from us and Russia is successfully destabilizing our society. It reminds me of how big complacent corporations from another era get overtaken by hungry young startups who are fluent in the tools of today.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

#110
post #3

I’ve been saying this for years: Linked In is a spies dream. A data gold mine.

Have you been saying similar things about any other companies for years?

Yes. Google scanning your gmail for targeted advertising. Seems Yahoo has at least fessed up to it.
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