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Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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Any of his constituents injured by out of state parties can do exactly the same thing he did. Any injury he suffers at the hands of a Kansas company will be subject to the same damage limits that such injuries suffered by his constituents are. I don't see how this is either hypocrisy (as alleged in the article you link to) or denying his constituents some benefit that is allowed to him (as you claim). I am curious wh…

> I don't see how this is either hypocrisy Seriously, you don't? It's all "over burdensome regulation" and "tort lawyers looking for a huge payday" until it's YOUR child that is hurt or killed. Legislator is damn lucky the tortfeasor was from out of state.

> Seriously, you don't?

No, I don't. The definition of hypocrisy is "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform".

He voted for a law that resulted in reduced damages for torts committed in Kansas by Kansas companies but did not reduce damages for torts committed in Kansas by non-Kansas companies, at least in some circumstances [1].

This suggests that his moral standards or beliefs at the time he voted for the law were that out-of-state companies should be subject to higher damages than Kansas companies [2]. (That's a crappy moral standard and belief, but that's not relevant from a hypocrisy perspective).

He later was a plaintiff in a tort case against a non-Kansas company, and asked for higher damages than he would be able to get from a Kansas company. This is not acting in a way that does not conform to moral standards or beliefs that his vote suggests he holds.

The essence of hypocrisy is telling everyone to act one way and then acting in a different way yourself. Here he is acting in the same way the law he voted for allows all Kansans to act, so we cannot infer hypocrisy.

That doesn't mean he should not be criticized strongly. The law he voted for is very bad on two counts. First, by severely limiting damages on torts committed by Kansas companies, it harms those company's Kansas victims.

Second, by having different limits depending on whether it is a Kansas company or not, it means that different Kansas plaintiffs who suffer similar injuries from a tortfeasor in Kansas can face vastly different damage limits depending on where the tortfeasor happens to be incorporated. That's fundamentally unfair.

[1] The injury lawyer blog that was cited just says there is "apparently" a "quirk" in Kansas law, and the cite is just a newspaper article that just says it may have something to do with choice of law, so it is not clear exactly how this thing came about.

[2] I'm assuming that there is some basic competence on the part of the Kansas legislature and their staff that actually prepare legislation, so that when they decided to lower damage limits on torts they knew about this mysterious quirk and knew that they were writing their legislation in a way that would not eliminate it.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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I've seen several water slides where you go down it on your back, with your arms and legs crossed (or rather supposed to be crossed). I went down one like that in "water world" which used to be in Houston. I don't remember the size, but at the end of the slide there is about 2-3 inches of standing water in the chute which I guess serves as the "water brake". I was wearing some long swimming shorts, but after hitting…

The same thing can happen water skiing.

The last jet ski I rode had a pretty candid warning label on the back about this.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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According to the article, the metal hoop seems to have caught him in the neck. I can't imagine being there in the raft, nor being there as a bystander, watching.

Having just taken the kids to the new braunfels location.. Oddly, master blaster continues to have the same net and hoop layout. I wondered about it years ago when I first rode that ride. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=master+blaster+schlitte... While I didn't ride it this time (the wait is generally really long), I think I was more aware of the fact that there are a lot of dangerous areas in the park. A couple…

Australia seems to have a lot of regulation in an effort to protect children form injury. As an example, it is not permissible to in the local outdoor pool with a ball. It's not permissible to use a ball in the park surrounding the pool.

You can't use a ball in the park.

I don't really understand this. Surely a tennis ball can't cause a person to drown. I suppose you could intentionally throw it hard enough at a persons head to cause serious injury, especially a small child. It just seems unlikely that would be occur accidentally.

The red strike-through circles indicating activity not allowed on signs as you approach the pool and park area tell a short story. Of sterile boredom. Okay, I'm overreacting.

And, sadly, yet people still die in waterpark accidents here.[1]

1. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-25/four-people-dead-ride-...

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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You do realize you could like not spend the money lavish manner right?

Indeed I do! 20 million dollars is a lot of money and I would feel tempted to spend it on things to make my family's life easier/better. Yet then again if it served as a reminder of my son's death, I might be persuaded to instead donate it to a scholarship or charity in my son's name. Thus my question. Since I don't know how I'd handle it, I'm curious how this family did.

Did they actually get that much? I can understand now why you said that given that amount of money. Although really even $1 could make someone question it's use.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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FTA: What’s more, according to court documents, the investigators learned that on July 3, 2014, one week before the ride’s grand opening, an engineering firm hired by Jeff and Schooley to perform accelerometer tests on Verrückt’s rafts had issued a report suggesting that if the combined weight of the three passengers in a raft was between 400 and 550 pounds—the weight Jeff and Schooley had agreed was appropriate—ther…

From the indictment:

39. HENRY remarked, "[Verrückt] could hurt me, it could kill me, it is a seriously dangerous piece of equipment today because there are things that we don't know about. Every day we learn more.* I've seen what this one has done to the crash dummies and to the boats we sent down it. Ever since the prototype. And we had boats flying in the prototype too.* It's complex, it's fast, it's mean. If we mess up, it could be the end. I could die going down this ride."

These guys are going to gaol for a long time. Unfortunately, that won't undo anything.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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I was surprised to discover the article didn't mention any engineers that had worked on the design or implementation being sued for damages. Nor did the article mention any engineers who refused to construct or otherwise work on the tallest and most dangerous waterslide in the world. Perhaps engineers in other fields are not so different from software engineers after all, published code of conduct aside.

From the indictment:

27. HENRY's rushed schedule affected quality control. A steel detailer named Ronald Miller, who was hired to assist with the Verrückt construction, emailed Project Manager Kathrine Fontenot to voice his concerns: "I'll be honest with you. We were forced to ship this [tower platform] way to early. There are still so many unknowns. We would have saved a lot more time (and money) if everything was figured out here at the plant. I have been telling people for months that it was imperative to have all of this stuff figured out prior to shipment. My requests fell on deaf ears and now it is on its way up to KC to be galvanised. Instead of dealing with these questions in a controlled environment, where we have the material and resources to resolve these matters, it is going to have to be done on the fly 160' in the air, on a structure that is galvanised."

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed I do! 20 million dollars is a lot of money and I would feel tempted to spend it on things to make my family's life easier/better. Yet then again if it served as a reminder of my son's death, I might be persuaded to instead donate it to a scholarship or charity in my son's name. Thus my question. Since I don't know how I'd handle it, I'm curious how this family did.

Did they actually get that much? I can understand now why you said that given that amount of money. Although really even $1 could make someone question it's use.

From the article:

They eventually agreed that the water park and various companies associated with the design and construction of Verrückt would pay Caleb’s family a $20 million settlement, an astonishing sum. The two sisters who had ridden behind Caleb, both of whom suffered facial injuries, also received a settlement, of an undisclosed amount.

Re: Schlitterbahn’s Tragic Slide

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I read that too... I just don't believe it. That seems ridiculous to me. Would they have to hire an army of handymen to do the construction? It looks way too large and involved for that. Does the state really allow construction of something this large and involved without any engineers signing off? If this is true, I don't think I may ever let my child into a water park. Is this true of traditional amusement parks as…

Their family owns a construction company that was also named in the legal filings, so I assume they built it. It defies belief. I don't know how they got insurance for essentially homemade waterslides.

It seems like most of the insurance and regulatory process assumed independent manufacturers certifying the equipment. In this case, the manufacturer was also essentially also the park operator.
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