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MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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This madness is something Apple can only blame themselves for. It's Steve Jobs' ploy to kill the laptop market. He didn't need the laptop market, he had the iPhone, he knew of the iPad when he demo'd the Macbook Air. Today the entire Mac revenue https://www.statista.com/statistics/382260/segments-share-re... is below 10%. See, he have started the thin craze and everyone copied. But noone needs a thin laptop. There's…

That's a serious tin-foil hat you got there.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main quibble is that the laptop can't even hold it's base clock speed without throttling.

Yeah but that's like buying a race car and being upset that it's throttled at 300 mph. 99.9999% of people will never go 300mph..unless you're using it in a very specialized way.

No it's like buying a truck for your business and being upset when it can't tow its advertised load.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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I guess the key is that it under-performed vs last model's i7... not that it has thermal issues. I would think most laptops have some level of thermal trade offs.

My guess is Premier already had optimizations for the 2017 Macbook Pro to lessen the amount of hits to the throttle threshold temperature.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Well I guess my next machine has to be a PC running linux now. Been waiting to replace my aging MBP with this latest gen, but this is the the last straw for me. Charging such a premium and being too lazy (or thin-focused) that it can't meet it's base clock outside of a freezer is ridiculous.

I just wish I could run OSX in a VM. Linux as a primary desktop isn't quite there yet.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but that's like buying a race car and being upset that it's throttled at 300 mph. 99.9999% of people will never go 300mph..unless you're using it in a very specialized way.

No it's like buying a truck for your business and being upset when it can't tow its advertised load.

Apple didn't advertise a minimum time guaranteed to sustain 2.9ghz with 100% load.

It's not much different than my iPhone shutting down after recording 4k60 video for 2 minutes in the hot summer sun at 110F degrees (in fact, that's actually more frustrating than this Macbook "issue" but there was no outrage for that).

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

#106
post #75

This madness is something Apple can only blame themselves for. It's Steve Jobs' ploy to kill the laptop market. He didn't need the laptop market, he had the iPhone, he knew of the iPad when he demo'd the Macbook Air. Today the entire Mac revenue https://www.statista.com/statistics/382260/segments-share-re... is below 10%. See, he have started the thin craze and everyone copied. But noone needs a thin laptop. There's…

> But noone needs a thin laptop. There's no advantage to it whatsoever.

I own an Air, and it's been my go to machine in university. Yes, the weight does a lot to help me just pick it up and grab it, but the thinness does help a ton too. Thin means that I can throw it in a bag and still fit textbooks, notebooks, hoodies, and whatever else inside. I've had bags packed fully and needed every inch of space. The Air does that.

It's not a huge market, and I think only the Air models should focus on it, but it does exist. A bigger but equally light laptop wouldn't make nearly the difference that the Air does in how it fits ends up being the smallest thing in many of my bags.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Dave Lee's youtube video is a withering takedown, presented dispassionately. His argument is such a slam dunk that the article concludes with stunned disbelief, speculating that maybe there's "something wrong with the MacBook Pro with Core i9 chip that Lee received". Yes there's something wrong with it, that was the exact point of his video. Do people really think he just got a lemon?

In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.

In all fairness: If you sell a >3000€ laptop, people should expect to get the full value out of it. Maybe it's hard to cool CPUs in thin laptops. But then don't let people pay for expensive upgrades that have no performance benefit.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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post #99
post #84

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You can't really compare ARM and x86_64 chips. I'm going to use a crude example. Think of the ARM chip being one of those USPS Trucks ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Small_US... ) while the x86_64 is a F150 pickup. Both can drive around and transport things, but the USPS Truck is purpose build to deliver mail, stop and start frequently, and be reliable. It does a few things well. On the other ha…

What? They're CPUs. They're designed to run instructions. Intel's chips spend more energy on the really fancy stuff like huge reorder buffers and extensive speculation. They get higher IPC at lower MIPS/watt. An i7 isn't going to run iOS more slowly than whatever Apple calls their latest ARM SoC. It _is_ going to blow its lid without a big ole heatsink brick on there and a fan too, which is why smartphones use ARM co…

Not all instructions (or instruction sets) are equivalent.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

#110
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.

And thermals is real issue with race to making thinnest laptops possible. My Thinkpad T450s throttles just running Chrome and bunch of tabs. I don't see how a competitor having thermal problems exonerates Apple from having similar problems.

In biology thin would imply a high surface area to volume ratio, and great performance if you're trying to get rid of internally generated heat. Here, I guess we're talking about room for cooling systems so as to avoid blistering users' skin or charring their pants?
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