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Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by garmaine »

madeofpalk wrote: post #8

This is in-line with the the 'under promise and over deliver" mantra I was taught at Apple Retail. Don't make any promises you can't keep, and silently start to fix issues like this. Apple having a hardware fix for their keyboard disasters in this revision is also inline with their repair program they just issued.

> Apple having a hardware fix for their keyboard disasters in this revision is also inline with their repair program they just issued.

Yes, they just issued a repair program. Until precisely 3 weeks ago Apple refused to acknowledge the issue and forced customers to pay for costly repairs on their own dime. This patent was filed in September 2016. Apple was fucking lying through their teeth for a full 22 months and have been caught in that lie.

Frankly I'm amazed there isn't more outrage at this. How could anyone trust them going forward?

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#102

Post by garmaine »

cma wrote: post #64
lancewiggs wrote: post #6

They fixed the keyboard, increased the max memory to 32GB and stuck to their guns on the touch bar - and that all seems reasonable to me. (I’m far more annoyed by Microsoft removing ESC as the dbox cancel key for errors in Excel than the disappearance of the ESC key)

The article mentions: > After all, Apple told The Verge that “this new third-generation keyboard wasn’t designed to solve those [dust] issues.”

The patent contradicts that.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#103

Post by tinus_hn »

userbinator wrote: post #20

The fact that the membrane is still vented (labeled 321 in the diagram) suggests that this will only delay, and not fix the dust ingress problem. Indeed, it could make things worse by creating a tiny pump[1] that draws particles in on each keystroke. I don't know why they didn't vent from the bottom instead, but that's how completely sealed (i.e. waterproof) keypads are vented. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaph…

>> Edit: wow, downvotes? Care to explain...?

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Don’t worry about downvotes, even if you care about the karma points you can at most get to -4 anyway.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#104

Post by meritt »

userbinator wrote: post #20

The fact that the membrane is still vented (labeled 321 in the diagram) suggests that this will only delay, and not fix the dust ingress problem. Indeed, it could make things worse by creating a tiny pump[1] that draws particles in on each keystroke. I don't know why they didn't vent from the bottom instead, but that's how completely sealed (i.e. waterproof) keypads are vented. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaph…

> wow, downvotes? Care to explain...?

You were being critical of Apple. That's literally it.

You'll notice it comes in waves. Rapid downvotes at first followed by slow and methodical upvotes. That's why you're top now, but it sure as hell took a while, didn't it? The visceral supporters, the shills, and the bots act first. Later, the reasoned adults come in and sometimes adjust things.

Read the comments on Microsoft urging congress to regulate facial recognition [1] and you'll see the many commentators speculate that Microsoft is doing is purely for competitive reasons. They're not at the top now, but when it was the top story this morning, the layout was very different. It's all about sending the right messaging at the right time. Long term, karma is absolute bullshit. But when a story is #1 and trending? It pays to be at the top.

Now read many of the comments here (corresponding to your early downvotes) and you'll see the trend: The immediate and visceral reaction of the majority of HN is to support and shutdown any amount of negative speak about their star children (e.g. Apple and Tesla) while supporting negativity against their antithesis (Microsoft was the target today).

Upvotes & downvotes, stars, likes, and follows. They are the absolute cancer of modern social platforms.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17523978

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#106

Post by danieltillett »

meritt wrote: post #104
userbinator wrote: post #20

The fact that the membrane is still vented (labeled 321 in the diagram) suggests that this will only delay, and not fix the dust ingress problem. Indeed, it could make things worse by creating a tiny pump[1] that draws particles in on each keystroke. I don't know why they didn't vent from the bottom instead, but that's how completely sealed (i.e. waterproof) keypads are vented. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaph…

> wow, downvotes? Care to explain...? You were being critical of Apple. That's literally it. You'll notice it comes in waves. Rapid downvotes at first followed by slow and methodical upvotes. That's why you're top now, but it sure as hell took a while, didn't it? The visceral supporters, the shills, and the bots act first. Later, the reasoned adults come in and sometimes adjust things. Read the comments on Microsoft…

What is really interesting is the up and down voting patterns as we swing around the working world. Asia/Australia is quite different to Europe which is very different to the USA. You can have a comment voted way up in one region and then massively slammed down as the sun moves into another.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by meritt »

danieltillett wrote: post #106
meritt wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wow, downvotes? Care to explain...? You were being critical of Apple. That's literally it. You'll notice it comes in waves. Rapid downvotes at first followed by slow and methodical upvotes. That's why you're top now, but it sure as hell took a while, didn't it? The visceral supporters, the shills, and the bots act first. Later, the reasoned adults come in and sometimes adjust things. Read the comments on Microsoft…

What is really interesting is the up and down voting patterns as we swing around the working world. Asia/Australia is quite different to Europe which is very different to the USA. You can have a comment voted way up in one region and then massively slammed down as the sun moves into another.

That would be extremely interesting to see. I really wish votelogs were public. The invisible hand is precisely why active measures [1] are so effective.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#108

Post by riffraff »

davnn wrote: post #93
corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

I switched from a MBP to a Lenovo X1 Carbon and the keyboard is so much better on the X1, it’s on another level. Lost macOS though, which, in the end, didn’t matter as much as I thought it would.

how does the touchpad compare? I feel I've been spolied by apple's touchpads, when I had to use another laptop I wanted to cry.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#109

Post by SyneRyder »

garmaine wrote: post #100
saagarjha wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple sold a MacBook Pro with all of those things you wanted except Ethernet until yesterday.

What are you talking about?

Apple continued to sell the 15" 2015 pre-butterfly-keyboard MacBook Pro model until yesterday (it has just been discontinued). That model had a retina screen, MagSafe, an SD Card reader, HDMI & USB-A ports (as well as two Thunderbolt 2 ports), but no Ethernet.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/12/apple-stops-selling-201...

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

#110

Post by davnn »

riffraff wrote: post #108
davnn wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from a MBP to a Lenovo X1 Carbon and the keyboard is so much better on the X1, it’s on another level. Lost macOS though, which, in the end, didn’t matter as much as I thought it would.

how does the touchpad compare? I feel I've been spolied by apple's touchpads, when I had to use another laptop I wanted to cry.

It’s definitely worse but not as bad as non-MB touchpads used to be. Plus, it’s motivating to use more keyboard shortcuts.
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