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Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by u801e »

btrettel wrote: post #65
monkeywork wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent asked specifically about CA not TX ... thus my reply. I'm not commenting on what you or I feel is safe simply what is written. Debating the "IF's" under that I'm not interested in.

Here's the relevant California law: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... . > 21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations: > [...] > (3) When reasonably necessary t…

> Go measure the width of the lanes you typically drive on and do the math.

For what it's worth, the typical lane width on a surface street is 10 feet [1], though in older designs, they may be up to 12 feet wide.

[1] https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/tr...

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by monkeywork »

btrettel wrote: post #82
monkeywork wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general terms I find that: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 = all rare (or only valid for brief moments in time). You seem to be lumping #4 in for all cases which is a subjective view and I would argue isn't at all close to 95 or 99% of the time. Thus I maintain that "very few very specific exceptions" applies and is not selective reading. I'd further suggest that you're pushing an agenda instead of being pragmatic and honest. It…

On what basis do you say these are rare? My experience as a cyclist differs strongly with your statements. Many drivers don't seem to realize that cyclists take very different paths than drivers do. You might be thinking "where I drive, these exceptions usually don't apply" but you should instead be thinking about where cyclists ride. Yes, these paths do intersect, but a cyclist will typically pick lower stress paths…

This will be my last reply because this isn't a good faith discussion.

You're individual situation is not what I have experienced in a major city. The majority of cyclists are moving much slower than the flow of traffic, rarely over take each other (or other cars), use cycle lanes where available and stay over to the right when they can.

You may be an exception to that - and if so fantastic ... again I'm not saying not to take the lane, stop treating me like an adversary. Again if you're advocating for better safety and better relations between drivers and cyclists that's fantastic -- do it by getting the laws changed. Stop the "easy to legally justify" when you know that what you are doing most of time is pissing people off (rightly or wrongly). Get the laws changed, get them enforced and then culture changes to follow.

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by u801e »

st26 wrote: post #17

Does anyone know why dads riding these are called "soft"? I've never ridden a cargo bike, but it takes strong legs & constitution to regularly tow a kid or utility trailer more than a few miles. Is it just that whole notion that fathers who are involved with their children are not masculine?

> but it takes strong legs & constitution to regularly tow a kid or utility trailer more than a few miles.

If you're not going uphill, it's not that much harder than riding without the trailer. But the key is to downshift and maintain a higher pedaling cadence when going up grades or into a headwind rather than relying on mashing down on the pedals.

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by u801e »

bluejekyll wrote: post #2

I bike around SF with my kids in a Cargo bike all the time. The bike is freeing in the city, and the kids love it. As they’ve gotten bigger and older, I had to put a motor on it for the hills. I hate that bikes are controversial in the City, as they are such a great way of increasing mobility around town. eBikes, are also amazing for this aspect of mobility. With all the new scooters and rental bikes though, it’s str…

> As they’ve gotten bigger and older, I had to put a motor on it for the hills.

How steep are the ones you have to deal with? I take mine up a short 6% grade in my second to lowest gear without too much difficulty, but I imagine that if the hill was much steeper, I wouldn't be able to make it up without getting a granny gear on my bike's cassette.

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by Bromskloss »

rabboRubble wrote: post #6
21 wrote: post #3

Can someone explain why the title and abstract is in 3 languages (English, French, Spanish), but the article just in English? Is this a new thing?

I'm guessing it's an EU thing to make the article easily discoverable for 3 main EU languages (how the English language thing will work after Brexit, no idea. EU may still have English as an official language for cross border communication). Many academic people speak English well enough to read the article. I'm guessing from my own struggles while Googling stuff in a different language, that is a different art.

What does the European Union have to do with this?

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by btrettel »

monkeywork wrote: post #102
btrettel wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On what basis do you say these are rare? My experience as a cyclist differs strongly with your statements. Many drivers don't seem to realize that cyclists take very different paths than drivers do. You might be thinking "where I drive, these exceptions usually don't apply" but you should instead be thinking about where cyclists ride. Yes, these paths do intersect, but a cyclist will typically pick lower stress paths…

This will be my last reply because this isn't a good faith discussion. You're individual situation is not what I have experienced in a major city. The majority of cyclists are moving much slower than the flow of traffic, rarely over take each other (or other cars), use cycle lanes where available and stay over to the right when they can. You may be an exception to that - and if so fantastic ... again I'm not saying n…

> This will be my last reply because this isn't a good faith discussion.

I don't appreciate the accusation. I should remind you of the HN guidelines.

> Get the laws changed, get them enforced and then culture changes to follow.

The laws should change to be even more friendly to cyclists, but strictly speaking, the laws don't need to be changed. You seem to take a pessimistic interpretation of the law, in contrast to case law which tends to side with cyclists based on what I've read. Case law is law, period. Look up Trotwood v. Selz for one famous case. Here's another case where a cyclist was ticketed for riding in the center of a 13.5 ft lane, but beat the ticket:

https://www.news-press.com/story/news/local/2015/01/28/cycli...

As the laws in most states are based on the Uniform Vehicle Code, case law in one state is frequently cited in others states.

Unambiguous laws like those in Texas are obviously preferred, but again, are not necessary. And given that people tend not to believe me when I tell them that Texas allows cyclists to ride in any lane less than 14 feet wide, I'm not certain making the law less ambiguous really would help much. It comes down to changing attitudes, which is one thing I'm trying to do here. You believe I don't have the right to take the lane, and I'm trying to show you that the law says I do.

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by smartbit »

st26 wrote: post #85
anonacct37 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a trailer for grocery store runs. I feel like a total hipster, probably because I am. But I have so much shit to do and so little time to exercise I have to multitask and game myself into doing things. A good grocery store recently opened up near me and I committed to riding my bike there whenever possible. It literally takes 5-10m more but in return I get 20-30m of good exercise. Seems like a good trade.

FWIW, a good pannier bag will fit a day or two's groceries just fine. I have both a trailer and a pannier, but the pannier is less hassle for small trips.

I have a huge pannier that fit a pair of large groceries bags. I fitted two large holes on the front side for a strap that goes around the saddle pin.

On Saturdays we strap it on our bike, ride to the farmers market and fill the bags up with grossiers for all week for a 3 persons household no problem. Probably some 30kg it can carry with ease. Back at home we take the panniers off so the bike fits in the typical Amsterdam bike shed and fits in the 2 stories bike-racks the train station for daily commutes.

So much more convenient than a Cargo bike that can not be properly stored in 90% of the Amsterdam bike sheds and therefor will need to stay outside all year and take precious sidewalk. At the farmers market it would be quite difficult to find a proper location to park it too. And at train stations even more difficult to find a place to park it.

Taking 30kg on our back in a backpack is not an option for us. Neither is walking through the narrow alleys of a farmers market with a huge backpack.

In the busy pedestrians & bike traffic of Saturday Amsterdam, mounting a canal bridge with an additional 30kg can be quite a feat but not more difficult than a with Cargo bike.

IMHO a large and dismountable pannier is a economic and more convenient alternative for a Cargo bike that can replace it for almost everything except transporting a couple of kids. It's time this means of groceries transport is revived.

Re: Cargo bikes as symbolic markers of egalitarian gender roles

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Post by dang »

burntrelish1273 wrote: post #108

Whatever. Subtle "toxic masculinity" "slut-shaming" of men whom don't act meeker than women.

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