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How a Microsoft Font Brought Down Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (2017)

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Re: How a Microsoft Font Brought Down Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (2017)

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Curious how/who noticed the font detail and knew enough that it could help date the document. However, couldn't the machine identification code from the printer reveal exactly when the document was printed?

It's an ice reminder that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" extends beyond computer programming.

Another example: IMDB has a goof documented for the Bourne Supremacy wherein the fluorescent lamp is humming at 60Hz, instead of the 50Hz appropriate for Goa, India: https://twitter.com/deeaen/status/961369721571627009

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Yes, on air Dan Rather did in fact claim they were taken directly from Killian’s files and had been ‘authenticated’. The person who sent them to 60 Minutes also claimed they were originals, which he subsequently burned after faxing. CBS then spent the next couple of weeks in a ‘strident defense’ (their own investigators’ words) of the documents and their use, before ceding they screwed up and firing people over the i…

Culturally, this to me is a turning point of the political bloggers -- the knee in the curve of their credibility and a large drop in the trust of the news media, particularly among conservatives. The blogs leading the document debunking were Powerline and Little Green Footballs. This was also when the term Pajamas Media was coined (quote from wikipedia PJ_Media page): > The network's original name was derived from a…

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If it was released in beta of longhorn in 2004 couldn’t they have still legitimately created the doc???

https://www.dawn.com/news/1344685 > In a separate email, de Groot, the font designer himself, said that while in theory it would have been possible to create a document using Calibri in 2006, the font would have to be obtained from a beta operating system, "from the hands of computer nerds". > "Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?" he went on to question. > "If the person u…

>> "Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?"

De Groot lives in a rarified world where someone would consider this question. Most people never give a thought to which font they are using or whether it's appropriate. Maybe someone just typed the document on a handy computer, on which someone happened to have installed the beta OS.

I'm sure he knows hinting and drop caps far better than I do, but he has no expertise about the likelihood of that happening.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1344685 > In a separate email, de Groot, the font designer himself, said that while in theory it would have been possible to create a document using Calibri in 2006, the font would have to be obtained from a beta operating system, "from the hands of computer nerds". > "Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?" he went on to question. > "If the person u…

>> "Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?" De Groot lives in a rarified world where someone would consider this question. Most people never give a thought to which font they are using or whether it's appropriate. Maybe someone just typed the document on a handy computer, on which someone happened to have installed the beta OS. I'm sure he knows hinting and drop caps far bett…

I think his point is also that to even use the font on the beta OS you had to go out of your way.

Re: How a Microsoft Font Brought Down Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (2017)

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The scandal wasn't near as big, but a similar issue arose during the 2004 US Presidential election. Documents claiming to be from the early 1970s about George W Bush's air national guard service were found to use things like proportional-width fonts - and, indeed, the entire document seems to have just been typed using the default settings for a contemporary version of Word. Here's some details: https://en.wikipedia.…

Proportional typewriters did exist at the time.

Re: How a Microsoft Font Brought Down Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (2017)

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Pakistan is not a democracy, it is run by the military regardless of who is in power, the ISI it's it's real head of state, which have a pro-islamist agenda but with a slightly modern outlook for economic growth. Regardless if he did any wrongdoing, there have been far worse acts by politicians in Pakistan and they have got away with it.

Our neighbor's democratic PM has a pro-Hinduism agenda despite of heading a secular state. A year back many opposite voices silents who raised questions about the fake surgical strike. What's your point here by the way?

Please don't take HN on flamewar tangents and especially not on nationalistic or religious flamewar tangents. Those are right out here.

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This is not a political forum so I will not continue to reveal further what's been happening in India.

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Personal, national, and religious attacks will get you banned here. There's no place for any of them on Hacker News, regardless of how wrong someone else is. You managed to combine all three; that's bad. Please don't do it again.

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Re: How a Microsoft Font Brought Down Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (2017)

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I didn't really understand USA until I spent some time considering Pakistan.

This. Pakistan is a Republican wet dream, if Republicans were Muslim.

Please don't do this here.

Re: How a Microsoft Font Brought Down Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (2017)

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This may not amount to much for Pakistani people. The forces and judiciary are so pathetically weak that they couldn't force the PM and his Daughter and his sons to remain inside of Pakistan - so what if the PM's wife is sick in London (which we don't even know if it's true) - let her die alone because she and her life is worthless for Pakistani people. For months the PM's daughter barked daily in front of masses aga…

Slightly offtopic, but this [1] is a great series of podcasts about the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. No idea if she would have made a good leader, but she was certainly brave. Even if you're not interested in Pakistani politics, it's still fascinating. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05r6cgx/episodes/downloads

Uh, she put a hit out on her brother (or let her husband do it)
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