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The Dangers of Train Yards, Through the Eyes of Railroad Employees

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I got within a hair. Stupid, stupid, stupid. In a nutshell: I was working with a backhoe that was older than I was, early 60's model and a hydraulic line developed a very small puncture, enough that I could see the line start to sweat. Instead of backing off I got closer to see if the drop I saw on the line was really oil or maybe water. Fortunately before I could reach for it but after I got way too close the line e…

A Reddit thread this week said if you put your finger over a leak in an oil line the pressure will drive it through your skin and they basically have to do surgery to scrape the pockets away from your bones.

Yep. The pressure is insanely high, think waterjet cutter.

Same with injectors of diesel engines.

That sort of thing can lead straight to an amputation.

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Just as interesting, linked from that page: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pointing-and-calling-j... Now I'm wondering about the cross-over between that and rubber-duck debugging.

Patrick McKenzie says this is the procedure Japanese programmers use for making changes in production! Now I know it came from the culture. https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1009235280530829313

This is what some engineering shops have as standard practice in Japan, which is a distinction with a difference.

Re: The Dangers of Train Yards, Through the Eyes of Railroad Employees

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It's also absolutely real and has been fairly common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_syndrome It's hard to understand why Snopes has this marked as a myth. The specific anecdote structure with the wife showing up is clearly a meme but that doesn't make it a mythical type of event. We're much better at dealing with this situation in developed countries now. It's still a serious hazard. Around the turn of the 20th…

This seems to involve patients being 'crushed' for an extended period of time. Like more than 15 minutes, where tissue dies and basically creates a poison, that enters the blood stream when the patients get released. That doesn't seem to describe a situation like the ggp was talking about.

Note that I'm addressing the Snopes conclusion more than the comments of the HN poster, except insofar as he/she used Snopes as a source.

The key elements of the Snopes article are these:

-Victim was crushed by machinery.

-Victim is still alive.

-Victim is not in much pain.

-If the machinery is removed the victim will probably die quickly.

-There's time to have them communicate with loved ones, a priest, whoever.

There are literally videos of this situation on liveleak. It happens with trains, with elevators, with forklifts and freight, and most commonly with car accidents.

The reason you don't remove the person at first is that they'll bleed out. The crushing material is an effective tourniquet so the person just sits there, alive and moving.

By the time that emergency responders get there to address the blood loss crush syndrome is a definite possibility. The person is generally going to faint the moment the equipment is removed because of the sudden loss of blood pressure. If they don't die of blood loss then they may have kidney failure and die on the way to treatment.

Everything about this is shockingly common except bringing the victim's family down to say goodbye or bringing in a priest.

To suggest that this has not happened in any of the hundreds or thousands of crushing cases since the industrial revolution occurred is ludicrous. It used to be that companies provided housing for workers near the factory/trainyard/loading dock. It would often have been the case that the victim's family could get there before an emergency responder.

The sense in which this is a "legend" is that people claim it happened to a friend-of-a-friend or whatever, and it's true that's an urban legend channel, but the actual events are documented except for the dramatic last kiss. I wouldn't even be sure that isn't documented. I just haven't seen it.

Re: The Dangers of Train Yards, Through the Eyes of Railroad Employees

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That's not an actual problem. You simply have 2 trains each broadcasts it's location. It's unexpected separations that might be a problem, but those are currently very rare and dealt with seperatly than static signals. It's like you need to design a nuclear reactor to deal with an aircraft hitting it. You don't need to automate the response becase that's a rare situation.

Plus with an actual separation the brakes will dump anyway and things will stop... well, not fast, but as quickly as they're capable of.

Well, I read about one instance where it happened, and the brakes didn't apply. (Not sure how that could happen other than a mess-up in building the train. You'd just about have to have both angle cocks closed.) Both fragments continued, for miles.

Can't cite a source (I think I read about it on the Altamont Press discussion board). And that's only one instance. And it could have been reported incorrectly. But it appears to be possible for this to happen.

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A 30,000 ton ore train in Brazil will take about that long to stop, due to the nature of that weight strung out over 2.5 miles of distance. That said, I think an emergency stop (air loss) would stop it faster.

> A 30,000 ton ore train in Brazil will take about that long to stop, due to the nature of that weight strung out over 2.5 miles of distance. I once learned in a physics class that weight has nothing to do with the stopping distance, but rather the steel on steel friction coefficient.

Excellent point - it’s the rolling resistance indeed. I pointed out the size for reference (easier than saying 480,000 lbs rolling resistance :)

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Not to mention that a person pedaling from a standstill has a lot less power output than a person pedaling an already moving bike.

Not really, and highly dependant on gearing.

Yes really. I'm sure you know power is velocity * force. For a long range, force output is pretty constant for humans, so power output must be lower: http://users.frii.com/katana/biketext.html
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