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Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by MVf4l »

irregular-john wrote: post #37

Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

    Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!
I don't know about others, but that naive reaction is definitely not the reaction I have. Selling me ads is acceptable. But using my data without telling me how are you going to use it is considered hostile to me. And, I believe, using aggregate data to research on crowd is dangerous and harmful to the society, even it's anonymous. My personal data is probably only worth a few dimes to them, but aggregate data is not that cheap. Those companies use PII and non-PII to do researches without telling people that they are being researched or how they are being researched or why they are doing it. It's like poeple are lab rats.

No one should have such power without testee's consent. But opt-out empowered them. And the ability to gain insights (with such procedure) on different crowds witch leads to the ability to manipulate the general public makes me nervous.

I don't expect stuff on the internet to be free of charge, but people don't want to pay with money doesn't justify the current business model. You know what is worse? People paid, yet their data is still being collected and used, only less ads.

If what I said is unreasonable or non-sense, please feel free to downvote me, but also please share your thoughts to me. I'd love to change my mind since it's getting really hard to surf the internet these days with my current mindset. It's not the internet I love any more.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by komali2 »

craigsmansion wrote: post #53
irregular-john wrote: post #37

Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

> what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? Obviously I can only answer this conclusively for one person, but it's de-humanising. It turns your online life, which is increasingly becoming a larger part of many people's normal life, into a Truman show; you--with your ups and downs and whereabouts, become a hapless player in a ruthless monetising game of which the goal is…

>Obviously I can only answer this conclusively for one person, but it's de-humanising. It turns your online life, which is increasingly becoming a larger part of many people's normal life, into a Truman show; you--with your ups and downs and whereabouts, become a hapless player in a ruthless monetising game of which the goal is to siphon agency of your own life away from you.

But what does this mean functionally?

I don't mean to disparage your argument, but I've never been able to get a clear answer on actual pain points from Facebook data mongering, answers are always some variation of above, which I take to mean "it's icky, I dunno, it's just icky."

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by Mononokay »

sytelus wrote: post #97
nneonneo wrote: post #30

Context: this fellow (Oli Frost) is something of a social media satirist, having previously built LifeFaker ( http://lifefaker.com/ , a place to buy your way to Instagram fame), and Flopstarter ( http://flopstarter.com/ , a Kickstarter clone for terrible ideas). I found the latest idea pretty funny - actually trying to monetize your data instead of letting companies do it for you is kind of a cute turnabout. In any c…

This is not a satire. I can easily see a service where people can simple upload their FB data and the service bundles it up in to groups of 10,000 for sell, takes 30% cut and distributes rest of the proceeds. There are tons of folks who have most of their posts public on FB would be willing to do this. There are companies who wants to model users, train/test algorithms would be willing to pay for it.

It's...still satire.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by ianai »

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #75
nneonneo wrote: post #30

Context: this fellow (Oli Frost) is something of a social media satirist, having previously built LifeFaker ( http://lifefaker.com/ , a place to buy your way to Instagram fame), and Flopstarter ( http://flopstarter.com/ , a Kickstarter clone for terrible ideas). I found the latest idea pretty funny - actually trying to monetize your data instead of letting companies do it for you is kind of a cute turnabout. In any c…

There are a couple companies that are working in that space: https://datacoup.com/ https://datawallet.com/#protect A more detailed reddit thread about them: https://www.reddit.com/r/beermoney/comments/8btjah/16_passiv...

So maybe in the future we accept payment upfront for our privacy or through incideously free services.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by plankers »

komali2 wrote: post #102
craigsmansion wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? Obviously I can only answer this conclusively for one person, but it's de-humanising. It turns your online life, which is increasingly becoming a larger part of many people's normal life, into a Truman show; you--with your ups and downs and whereabouts, become a hapless player in a ruthless monetising game of which the goal is…

>Obviously I can only answer this conclusively for one person, but it's de-humanising. It turns your online life, which is increasingly becoming a larger part of many people's normal life, into a Truman show; you--with your ups and downs and whereabouts, become a hapless player in a ruthless monetising game of which the goal is to siphon agency of your own life away from you. But what does this mean functionally? I d…

For me, the major pain point is in what this means for our cultural values around privacy. The less privacy we have the less important privacy becomes, and our collective values around privacy become eroded. This makes it much harder to raise a fuss about privacy violations and have people take you seriously e.g. they might interpret your objections as "it's icky, I don't like it."

If somebody can put better words to this, please do. I'm not well-versed in Sociological Things.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by sbhn »

irregular-john wrote: post #37

Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

Facebook and google sell your attention and your clicks. They will sometimes make 100 dollars a click depending on the content of the ad and how targeted it was to your profile. For example, type car insurance into google, click the top advertisement. Ka’ching, that was 100 dollars transferred from one adwords account into Google’s. Your simple click, and the data associated with it, is someone else’s money.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by linker3000 »

slim wrote: post #105

It's considered an infringement of GDPR. eBay should take it down

How do you believe this is infringing the GDPR?

IANAL, but...

Ebay are processing the data as instructed by the data subject (Art 6. 1a) for the fulfillment of a contract to sell the data (Art 6. 2b).

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by jonathanstrange »

rb808 wrote: post #85
nneonneo wrote: post #30

Context: this fellow (Oli Frost) is something of a social media satirist, having previously built LifeFaker ( http://lifefaker.com/ , a place to buy your way to Instagram fame), and Flopstarter ( http://flopstarter.com/ , a Kickstarter clone for terrible ideas). I found the latest idea pretty funny - actually trying to monetize your data instead of letting companies do it for you is kind of a cute turnabout. In any c…

lol this is great http://flopstarter.com/1dprinter/

If you could print very light lines and the costs were very low, I'd be interested. As someone who works a lot with handwritten formulas and pencil & paper sketches, I'm constantly annoyed by how strongly lines and squares are printed on paper. It's distracting and there is no need for it.
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