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Re: Subscription Hell

#101

Maybe a pay per click business model where you get a monthly bill from your IP for your internet activity in websites that require payment is an alternative

We already tried this with pay-per-SMS, 1-900 lines, roaming charges, data overage charges and premium content on cell phones (ringtones, wallpapers, etc) and it was a nightmare-- before you know it your bill is $1000.

Its also a nightmare for those of us who have to keep a close eye on AWS spending. Someone spins up an x1-large you didn't notice? Too bad, now pay us.

Its a terrible model for consumers in general. My wallet should not be open by default.

Re: Subscription Hell

#102

At the time of this writing, all of the comments here are focused on content, but I want to touch on the author's bit about software: > It’s not just Bloomberg and media — it’s software too. I used to write everything in Ulysses, a syncing Markdown editor for OS X and iOS. I paid $70 to buy the apps, but then the company switched to a $40 a year annual subscription, and as the dozens of angry reviews and comments ill…

One-time payments for software amount to a pyramid scheme where you benefit from the money of future users. That's not without its downsides either, where your userbase grows indefinitely yet doesn't pay for its own support-email rent. There's obviously a middle ground, like being able to at least use the version you paid for indefinitely but having to pay a smaller price to upgrade. But which direction a pricing str…

This is possibly the worst use of the term "pyramid scheme" I have ever seen used in print, and that's really saying something with how often it's abused nowadays.

Re: Subscription Hell

#103
post #86

I don't really see the downside here. You can now literally not buy into another newssite's BS.

this is actually what I've been moving towards. Over the years I've become addicted to way too many news sites be it tech or politics and given that I've noticed the same trend as the author I went the other way, just prune my consumption habits.

I've cut it down to one physical newspaper subscription, use the BBC or DW or other public news sources only once or twice a day, and that's pretty much it.

The most notable thing is that I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything, I was just reading the same stuff obsessively before anyway. It's a little hard these days to escape the event driven newscycle but it's not a bad idea.

Re: Subscription Hell

#104

  > We didn’t need paywalls on the early web because we focused on plain text from other users.
  > Plain text is easier to produce
So can we go back to plain text?

Actually is this even true? Take a newspaper like the Washington Post. Now I've seen All the President's Men, where two reporters spend days and weeks, driving and flying around the country, for just a few articles. I know Watergate was an usual amount of investigation, but I still would think the research and writing is the most expensive part of an article.

  > Today’s consumers [...] want immersive experiences, well-designed pages with fonts,
  > graphics, photos, and videos coming together into a compelling format.
I smirked because I have JavaScript turned off. In fact I run my own little script that strips out all the CSS and starts over.

Of course a member of Hacker News is unusual, but I know my family members are the same way, always complaining about how complicated websites are. Maybe we're all just old fuddy duddies. But if it's the young who want all this fanciness, those are the same people who aren't going to pay more than 99 cents for a newspaper subscription.

I still think pretty websites should not be a huge expense. Hire a graphic designer to give you a framework, some stylesheets. Custom multimedia affairs for each article have always, always, always been annoying to me.

Re: Subscription Hell

#105

At the time of this writing, all of the comments here are focused on content, but I want to touch on the author's bit about software: > It’s not just Bloomberg and media — it’s software too. I used to write everything in Ulysses, a syncing Markdown editor for OS X and iOS. I paid $70 to buy the apps, but then the company switched to a $40 a year annual subscription, and as the dozens of angry reviews and comments ill…

From the developers perspective though it is way easier to run a business when your software is sold on a subscription basis. If you know to a decent level of accuracy how much income you have, you can easily work out how much you can afford to spend to keep running and growing the business.

If you have no idea how much income you are going to make, stuff become a hell of a lot more complicated, unless you have a substantial cash reserve available - not a luxury that everyone has. The directors spend a hell of a lot more time running around banks begging for short term financing, cutting costs and planning out 100 different potential scenarios.

If I had to run another business, I would definitely look to running some kind of subscription scheme..

Re: Subscription Hell

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One-time payments for software amount to a pyramid scheme where you benefit from the money of future users. That's not without its downsides either, where your userbase grows indefinitely yet doesn't pay for its own support-email rent. There's obviously a middle ground, like being able to at least use the version you paid for indefinitely but having to pay a smaller price to upgrade. But which direction a pricing str…

There's a difference between charging for updates and charging for continued use. What if Sublime Text started charging a monthly fee just to use it? There's no excuse. > But as far as most software pricing goes, if it's so bad, then people wouldn't pay. And yet people keep paying ransomware for access to their important files.

Sorry but nobody is forcing you to use sublime.

If they started charging just for use they wouldn't need neither an excuse nor a justification.

I really don't see your point.

If you could explain further why you think sublime would need an excuse for charging a monthly fee I would really appreciate.

Re: Subscription Hell

#107

At the time of this writing, all of the comments here are focused on content, but I want to touch on the author's bit about software: > It’s not just Bloomberg and media — it’s software too. I used to write everything in Ulysses, a syncing Markdown editor for OS X and iOS. I paid $70 to buy the apps, but then the company switched to a $40 a year annual subscription, and as the dozens of angry reviews and comments ill…

In the EU, the GDPR will make data takeout APIs (or some guy exporting as CSV and mailing it to you) mandatory.

Re: Subscription Hell

#108
> Take my colleague Connie Loizos’ article from yesterday reporting on a new venture fund. The text itself is about 3.5 kilobytes uncompressed, but the total payload of the page if nothing is cached is more than 10 MB, or more than 3000x the data usage of the actual text itself. This pattern has become so common that it has been called the website obesity crisis. Yet, all of our research shows people want high-definition images with their stories, instant loading of articles on the site, and interactivity. Those features have to be paid somehow, begetting us the advertising and subscription models we see today.

It was kindof upsetting to read this after having switched the article into Firefox's reader mode, because the page was completely unusable.

If you want to talk about consumers' wallets not existing in a vacuum: if your 3.5 KB article is sending me 10 megs of crap, then your mobile users' carriers are charging them more than the advertizers are paying you.

There are some real challenges in figuring out how to fund journalism, but if bandwidth is one of them you're doing something very wrong.

Re: Subscription Hell

#109
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me and three friends worked on a similar idea at the YC hackathon a couple weeks ago. You'd pay us $10/month and we'd buy a lot of subscriptions to different newspapers. You'd install our chrome extension and when you came across a paywall, we'd autofill credentials that are just valid for one day. We didn't win but it definitely piqued the interest of the crowd and the judges (Sam, Michael, and Adora). We're not pur…

What did you plan to do when the publishers terminated your accounts for sharing credentials?

Probably keep making more until the publishers were forced to negotiate. This method is successful. See: Uber.

Re: Subscription Hell

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that "micropayments" weren't even mentioned in this article leads me to dismiss it. There still doesn't seem to be a "Twitter of Micropayments" yet. Gratipay shut down, (RIP) https://gratipay.news/the-end-cbfba8f50981?gi=54bc4ed25327 Patreon takes a percentage, which, to me, seems unjustifiable.

You suggest that the lack of even mentioning micropayments leads you to dismiss the article. But then you point out that there is no viable micropayments platform. Doesn't seem like there's much to mention beyond "yup, still doesn't exist."

> But then you point out that there is no viable micropayments platform. Doesn't seem like there's much to mention beyond "yup, still doesn't exist."

Sure there is: "Micropayments are fundamentally infeasible".

Which is to say, payments are trivial to do. There have been dozens and dozens of startups doing online payments in various schemes since the beginning of the internet. But the fraud problem is not solvable on that kind of scale. Batching payments such that you buy one "thing" for at least a few dollars gives some level of assurance that one human being looked at the transaction and that the seller gave enough thought to be sure it was worth selling as a unit.

That all falls apart when you get to "one article" scale. You want this to be a purchase that the user doesn't even thing about (because seriously if I have to stop and think whether I want to pay $0.13 to read an article the answer is "NO"). But without that promise of thought it becomes impossible to reasonably authenticate a transaction. Users will be absolutely flooded with fraud schemes tricking them into OKing these tiny things.

This is what killed ad-supported platforms too.

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