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France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#101

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Individuals should have more rights and more freedoms than nations.

The UN having any such powers is a long way off, for now you get your rights ensured by your country.

In 47 countries, people can appeal to the ECHR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights

Though I don't think they deal with domain names.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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The courts, in the USA, have found that domain names are not property, instead they are like telephone numbers: ---------------- The court found that under the California tariffs, rules, and regulations applicable to public utilities, and under the terms of the contracts, the debtors had no “proprietary right in the number.” https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0a84b472-c89f... Also: ...under Virginia law,…

We may argue that domain names are different from phone numbers because they are recognisable. They carry trademarks, and unlike phone numbers, are often the way we remember of an internet facing person or company. Also, the practical consequences of losing a phone number are much tamer than that of losing a domain name. I'm not sure the courts would hold the same conclusions for domain names and phone numbers. While…

> We may argue that domain names are different from phone numbers because they are recognisable. They carry trademarks, and unlike phone numbers, are often the way we remember of an internet facing person or company.

> Call JG Wentworth- 877-CASH-NOW!

> So ladies, if ya' butt is round, and you want a Triple-X throw down, dial 1 900-MIX-A-LOT and kick them nasty thoughts. Baby got back!

> I pity the foo' who don't use 1 800-COLLECT

> Jenny Jenny, don't change your number: 8-6-7-5-3-0-9!

> Save big bucks on every call- dial 1 800-CALL-ATT

And that's off the top of my head, many of which I haven't heard for 15 or more years.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #97

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> Governments have the right to assign to themselves any telephone number they wish, and reserve ranges of phone numbers for themselves, They don't do that after the fact.

> They don't do that after the fact. They have and do. https://voiceofpeopletoday.com/kim-jong-un-orders-change-num... It's unusual for the French government, who has some of the strongest consumer protections on the planet.

Wait, your argument is that Kim Jong Un seized telephone numbers, so of course France can seize a domain name from an American citizen 24 years after the fact?

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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We may argue that domain names are different from phone numbers because they are recognisable. They carry trademarks, and unlike phone numbers, are often the way we remember of an internet facing person or company. Also, the practical consequences of losing a phone number are much tamer than that of losing a domain name. I'm not sure the courts would hold the same conclusions for domain names and phone numbers. While…

> We may argue that domain names are different from phone numbers because they are recognisable. They carry trademarks, and unlike phone numbers, are often the way we remember of an internet facing person or company. This isn't unlike how phone numbers used to be until 10-20 years ago (and still are for many people today, outside of tech circles). Off the top of my head, I can rattle off at least six different phone…

> Heck Googling just one, I found a Youtube documentary that chronicles the 40-year history of jingles associated with one of those numbers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDv8zqpl8mI

NSFW:

In germany there was 0190 76 76 76 - come play with me. (seven - sex, seven - sex, etc.)

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Yeah, I think as soon as he heard any sort of rumblings from those French entities, he would have been smart to transfer away from web.com to a real/first-party registrar. Potentially they would have been less likely to just hand over the domain.

Can you recommend such a registrar? I also had bad experience with Network Solutions / web.com. They seem to blur the distinction between being a hosting company and a domain registrar.

I don't think namesilo would do this, they're highly respected, 8.50 .com's, and free domain privacy.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Web.com transfers the france.com they registered for their customer (since 1994) to the government of France without explanation or warning. "on March 12, 2018, Web.com abruptly transferred ownership of the domain to the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The company did so without any formal notification to Frydman and no compensation." It is actually just another example proving the warning we have all known/given…

The irony that it was generically named web.com who did this. Why should they keep their name, they don't own the web?

He should team of with Tim Berners Lee, and get the creator of the internet to claim he owns the rights to Web.com ...

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#109
A stroll through archive.org shows there was a small business sending people to and blogging about France: http://web.archive.org/web/20160805122924/http://www.france.... as .com is short for commercial it appears the owner was using the domain correctly before transfer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.com
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