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Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by panarky »

The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting."

Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice

Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults.

But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook see 6% or 4% or 2% attrition because of this?

2% attrition of 2.2 billion users is like the entire population of California and Oregon.

This many people leaving the network makes it a little less connected and a little less valuable for the 98% who remain.

That's a lot of people wandering about, discovering new alternatives to connect with their friends and family.

Facebook will be with us for a long time, but reducing their influence would be a big net positive.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by x0x0 »

downandout wrote: post #91
x0x0 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is (finally) correct. For each external tracker, you will have to consent that use. By name. Per discussions you can find via google, even naming a well-defined class of 3rd party controllers is not enough; they have to be individually named. This is the impact on adtech. See eg https://pagefair.com/blog/2018/granular-gdpr-consent/ . Or digiday, which is not exactly anti-adtech. https://digiday.com/media/gd…

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I expect that EU users won't be spending all their time on the web issuing 50 approvals for each page they load. You may so despise ad-supported services that this is your dream for the world, but unfortunately for your dream (and fortunately for all users that actually want to be able to use the Web), even the heavy-handed GDPR does not mandate this.

I don't know why you think me relating a correct understanding of the GDPR is my endorsement (or not!) . This is what the GDPR requires. You've cited no sources for disagreeing with the formulation of the GDPR as pushed by the very privacy orgs who are in charge of it in 6 weeks.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by redwall_hp »

MandieD wrote: post #82
julioneander wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend Privacy Badger, sponsored by the EFF, which is supposed to block trackers. I prefer it over Ghostery, which is backed by some company. uBlock Origin is great for blocking Ads though. If you really need to block scripts, there's NoScript. I recommend using at least the adblocker and the tracker blocker, even if only to reduce memory usage of the browser and take back a couple of CPU cycles from your comput…

uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger are my combo of choice. They play nicely together, and are easy enough to deal with that my non-web-savvy father-in-law surfs comfortably with them. Privacy Badger's most glaring weakness is that it takes a new install of the plugin awhile to learn that Facebook, fbcdn, etc are up to no good, but once it catches on, it’s great.

Privacy Badger is also based on AdBlock Plus's code, which is a weakness in itself. The entire reason uBlock Origin exists is because of inefficiencies with ABP that the author thought could be avoided.

I just check the privacy list options in uBlock Origin.

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-vs.-ABP:-effic...

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by tzakrajs »

nielsbjerg wrote: post #38
ams6110 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess, some people buy a mattress and end up unhappy with it, return it, and buy something else. This is enough people that it's worth showing mattress ads to all recent mattress buyers.

My guess is bad purchase tracking

Why would a vendor send a signal back to Facebook or an ad company that their competitors should stop spending money on useless ads?

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by x0x0 »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #98
x0x0 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is (finally) correct. For each external tracker, you will have to consent that use. By name. Per discussions you can find via google, even naming a well-defined class of 3rd party controllers is not enough; they have to be individually named. This is the impact on adtech. See eg https://pagefair.com/blog/2018/granular-gdpr-consent/ . Or digiday, which is not exactly anti-adtech. https://digiday.com/media/gd…

It still doesn't need to be 40 dialogs. It can be one dialog that provides information about all 40 third parties.

True! I don't think I ever claimed otherwise, just that they have to be individually consented. And nothing prevents someone from adding an approve all button, but it cannot be the default.

See even the IAB's (can't wait to hear how they don't support adtech either) consent dialogs http://advertisingconsent.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Tran...

page 16-18. And note the consent on page 16 is invalid; the GDPR is crystal clear that consent must disclose all co-controllers.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by nkkollaw »

panarky wrote: post #101

The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting." Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults. But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook s…

I don't know if Facebook's influence hasn't been reduced already, and how many users it actually has.

I still have an account for instance, but I log in only once/mo. and keep it solely for the API keys.

My friends seem to be a little less active then 10 years ago, as well.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by gervase »

edoloughlin wrote: post #89
johnny313 wrote: post #8

This does not discuss whether nonusers will be asked to opt-in. Curious how GDPR will change tracking people w/out FB accounts.

This does not discuss whether nonusers will be asked to opt-in. Curious how GDPR will change tracking people w/out FB accounts. IANAL. The only argument I'm aware of that data controllers can make for processing data without consent is if there is a legitimate interest: if the data controller needs to process the data in fulfillment of a contract/service. I wonder how this will play out for non-users. It would seem t…

"In order to provide tagging service to our users, a key platform feature, we are required to maintain and process data about individuals with which Facebook, Inc. does not have a pre-existing business relationship ("Non-Users"). Failure to do so would cause substantive harm to our service, and should therefore be exempted from gathering consent from Non-Users under Article 21, Section 5 of the GDPR."

Something like that, I expect, although I'm not a lawyer either.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by jsemrau »

nkkollaw wrote: post #106
panarky wrote: post #101

The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting." Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults. But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook s…

I don't know if Facebook's influence hasn't been reduced already, and how many users it actually has. I still have an account for instance, but I log in only once/mo. and keep it solely for the API keys. My friends seem to be a little less active then 10 years ago, as well.

>how many users it actually has.

I would assume a large percentage of this number are bots / automated content.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by matte_black »

nkkollaw wrote: post #106
panarky wrote: post #101

The screens will not give Facebook users the option to hit "decline." Instead, they will guide users to either "accept and continue" or "manage data setting." Also known as "Hobson's Choice": a free choice in which only one thing is offered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice Naturally the vast majority will just click through and accept the defaults. But what if a small number does not? Could Facebook s…

I don't know if Facebook's influence hasn't been reduced already, and how many users it actually has. I still have an account for instance, but I log in only once/mo. and keep it solely for the API keys. My friends seem to be a little less active then 10 years ago, as well.

Seems less active is not the same as not active.

In the height of Facebooks data scandal, daily deletions — people who deleted their accounts and quit Facebook — was at about 4000-5000 users a day.

It has now returned to normal levels, of about 1000 a day.

Facebook has 1.86 billion users. Look upon these numbers, and despair.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

#110

Post by everyone »

I'm a member of a facebook group for Irish game developers. Very good group, pretty much the only reason I use fb. Though I am logged on all day as I dont want to miss anything on it.

I tabled the idea of the group leaving fb for somewhere else, as now would be the time people would be receptive to that idea.

The consensus was, nah, dont bother, this is fine... welp.

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