It is not "Free", it is freemium. Zulip On Cloud is the exact same freemium model and pricing of Slack. Zulip On-Premise also is freemium (Enterprise plan do not show the price).
Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading
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#102It is not "Free", it is freemium. Zulip On Cloud is the exact same freemium model and pricing of Slack. Zulip On-Premise also is freemium (Enterprise plan do not show the price). https://zulipchat.com/plans/
You can download Zulip and host for free on your own server. That's what the blog post is mostly about. Zulip cloud is also Free with no limits for open source projects.
Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading
#103It is not "Free", it is freemium. Zulip On Cloud is the exact same freemium model and pricing of Slack. Zulip On-Premise also is freemium (Enterprise plan do not show the price). https://zulipchat.com/plans/
It's open source (Apache License 2.0): https://github.com/zulip/zulip/
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#104The install procedure [1] looks like bad a joke. > You’ll need an Ubuntu system that satisfies the installation requirements. So if I'm using RHEL, Fedora, Arch or any other Linux distribution, tough luck. If they're supporting only Ubuntu, they could have at least created some deb packages. There is an install script, but no details about what's going on under the hood or explanations of how to do it manually; what…
This comment is a great illustration of why companies and investors prefer software as a service business models wherever possible.
Companies and investors prefer SaaS because it solves their requirements, including: cheap support with no legacy installations, and the ability to move the product in new directions very quickly. This often doesn't overlap with what all customers of a piece of software want.
SaaS software often hits a sweet spot for one set of customers and then it is updated to match the needs of a new set of customers. Conflict can arise and the first set of customers abandon the product or are unhappy. When customers can deploy the software themselves they can decide to stay on the old version.
Of course this is often a terrible decision because customers get stuck on the really old version, experience security issues etc., but when it is managed appropriately (i.e. just strategic software for a business) it can work out. Managing lots of individual packages is a cottage industry for IT teams in big companies so they often undermine efforts to do this right.
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When there are so many options for one-click repeatable deployments of complex stacks that strikes me as an overreaction. I recently had to test a complex Django-based Document Management System: https://www.mayan-edms.com/ The install was a breeze. Even with very little experience with Docker it took me a matter of minutes to fire up a Digital Ocean droplet, paste in a few commands and have a fully working install.…
The install was a breeze because you practically installed a self contained black box. What if you wanted to use Apache instead of nginx or a custom compiled Python interpreter or PyPy?
Then you go to documentation for a more manual installation and adjust it to your tastes.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
When there are so many options for one-click repeatable deployments of complex stacks that strikes me as an overreaction. I recently had to test a complex Django-based Document Management System: https://www.mayan-edms.com/ The install was a breeze. Even with very little experience with Docker it took me a matter of minutes to fire up a Digital Ocean droplet, paste in a few commands and have a fully working install.…
The install was a breeze because you practically installed a self contained black box. What if you wanted to use Apache instead of nginx or a custom compiled Python interpreter or PyPy?
How often do the majority of people need to make these changes? With a well designed "self-contained black box" it should be possible to make the changes you suggested (web server and Python interpreter) pluggable, to some degree. There is always going to be a trade-off which has an impact on those with more specialized requirements.
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#107Re: Zulip 1.8: Free software Slack alternative with email-style threading
#108How frequent and painful are Zulip upgrades? This is one of the reasons folks like SaaS for communications tools which always seem to be changing.
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You'll want to sign up first, at https://chat.zulip.org/register/ .
That's what I did the first time. It keeps asking me for an email address to sign up OR sign up with Google or GitHub.
So I had something similar happen to me. I started out at the _ sign in _ page, I attempted to sign in with google, it remarked that I don't have an account and sent me to the _ sign up _ page that looked very similar to the sign in page, and from there, I was able to create an account via my google account.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
The install was a breeze because you practically installed a self contained black box. What if you wanted to use Apache instead of nginx or a custom compiled Python interpreter or PyPy?
Then you go to documentation for a more manual installation and adjust it to your tastes.
Problem is there doesn't seem to be much documentation at a quick glance. At least for Zulip.