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Time to rebuild the web?

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Re: Time to rebuild the web?

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Unlike in the past, people don’t build websites for fun anymore. I remember I used to visit topsite ranking sites just to explore what other had built. Nowadays, it’s all templated design hosted in a walled garden.

No wonder if all the Silicon Valley homos write on medium because it's hip.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#102

This article is more of a longing for the past than any concrete idea on how the web should be rebuilt. Not only that, but it sounds like the ramblings of someone who isn't merely longing for the past but stuck in it. Is not being able to copy code from Facebook using view source killing the web? Of course not. If you are just starting out there are more resources available now than ever. And I hope to God we never h…

My thoughts exactly. It's constant complaining and referencing old tech.

That reference to old tech may be there because the old tech was sufficient and the new tech has left a gap.

Right now there are two webs and they're interwoven to the point that it has become hard to see, but there is the 'web of applications' and the 'web of information'. There is no particular reason why the second should be implemented using the tools for the first.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#103

When I ask friends and family who use Facebook daily, privacy and security never come up as pain points. Media is blowing everything out of proportion. Replacing Facebook with RSS or Feedly is nonsense. My friends and family have no idea what those are. Facebook makes it easy for people to connect with old friends and family members through active human interactions: like this, follow her, read that. By doing so you…

> When I ask friends and family who use Facebook daily, privacy and security never come up as pain points.

Another anecdote: a few days ago my Mum mentioned she was going to cut down on Facebook and move to other social media in light of what's been happening. And she's about as non-technical a user as you get.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were some bad actors in the 90s, but the scale is different now. And the effect is now raised to the level of concern that elections are affected. Some people are even talking about how it is threatening democracy. We don't think an arms race of technology with the bots and bad actors is going to work long-term. We need to change the economics so that bad actors go broke trying to act bad, while real people hav…

> There were some bad actors in the 90s, but the scale is different now. It depends on what you're measuring. Take trolls for example; is the proportion actually any bigger? Sure there are more trolls but there's also more users on the whole so you'd expect the number of trolls to also grow while the percentage might remain the same. > And the effect is now raised to the level of concern that elections are affected.…

> I also don't think it's possible to prevent bad actors from automation while allowing the good actors to do the same things on the cheap. The problem is the same controls that are used to make it difficult for bad actors will also make it difficult for the good ones,

That's how RealPerson.io is different. It's pay to play so it doesn't try to out-tech the bad actors, and so it doesn't make it harder for the good actors.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#105
I don't believe the problem lies in any technology. We don't need blockchain, it's not JavaScript minification, it isn't the centralisation of services that are the problem.

It's the business model.

No amount of tech is going to change that. If you want to change the situation, start social media businesses with a different business model.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#106
These articles are annoying. They completely miss the point.

The web as it was in the early 90s was an alternative to major content delivery platforms (TV, press, mostly). So there was these massive systems that were the press and the TV who would own most of our attention span. And then there was this cute alternative technology with a great community that was yet unpolluted by the big guys.

Today, the big content guys colonized the medium, so it no longer feels like the web is "a cacophony of different sites and voices" to quote the article. But in fact, we're in the same situation: big guys with money and loads of content on one side and small guys with communities on the other side.

The web as it is today doesn't prevent you from spreading your ideas to the world on your very own server... And websites like reddit and hacker news are great amplifiers of small voices.

I would probably never have read this article if it had been published in the 90s. Since it's #1 on HN, perhaps 50k people have read it today! The way I use the web feels very much like the 90s: a few aggregation sites, a lot of excellent content written by independent guys, links between them...

Who cares about the centralized internet when the internet that we've loved since the 90s is still there and thriving?

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#107

> The web was never supposed to be a few walled gardens of concentrated content owned by Facebook, YouTube [...] What are the numbers on views of original Youtube content vs. views of clips of material that infringes copyright? My guess is that the latter still makes up a significant portion of clicks. If someone makes a serious P2P alternative to Youtube, not only will infringing content be there-- such content's ex…

"Peer-to-peer-YouTube" already exists btw: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#108
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. Bots aren't going to pay. But a user might pay $9/year for all websites. Websites don't have to pay for the service either. The more websites that use the service, the more cost effective it is for users (since they pay once for all sites), and for websites (since the likelihood that the user signing up already has a RealPerson account and doesn't need to pay anymore). This is the primary way to prevent bots,…

> But a user might pay $9/year for all websites Nope. Not going to happen. A HN user might, but regular user? No way in hell. Honestly I'd be surprised if you managed to win them over with $1/year or whatever the card minimum TX cost is. Even I was blindsided by it with a "wooah, whats this about" and I'm happy paying up for apps etc just to test them once. I thought I'd accidentally signed up to the website side of…

At first maybe for most people they won't want to pay the cost. What (hopefully) will happen is that smaller sites who have problems keeping bots and fake accounts at bay will decide it's worth it to them to require all their users to use RealPerson. And then (hopefully) over time users face no additional cost using RealPerson on other sites because they already have an account.

Incidentally, this is how RealPeople.io (https://realpeople.io) is able to have no ads because the revenue from RealPerson.io subsidizes it since they're owned by the same company.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#109
post #23

It feels like this is already a work in progress using Beaker Browser and Dat. - Beaker lets you browse entire websites (dat archives) and fork them. - It lets you create and serve your own sites directly from the browser and seed it from a server (like a torrent). - It lets other sites create templated sites under your name for user generated content. - Visitors by default temporarily seed your website which may red…

In the near future I will be in a project that generates sensor data in PostgreSQL/TimescaleDB and/or InfluxDB which I'd like to open to the public.

Any recommendation on how to make time series data available via Dat or IPFS is highly appreciated.

There will be base data of different systems and experiment data from experiments running in those environments. So far I have no concrete idea on how to segmentize and make available the data in a sensible way.

Re: Time to rebuild the web?

#110

I agree that having a few walled gardens is a problem, but having more smaller walled gardens probably won't change much. Bad actors can still sign up, post, spam, harass, etc. on several small walled gardens. What we need is a way to better identify and handle bad actors. The internet in the 90s seemed more fun and more open. Perhaps it's because the only people really participating were not interested in abusing si…

I think that the only reliable way to verify that a user is a real person would be to coordinate this work with government. Kazakhstan allows for each citizen to get a signed digital certificate to use it for government websites, but it's possible to use it everywhere, it's a plain X.509 RSA certificate signed by a special certificate authority. I'm aware that there are many countries doing exactly the same thing. So many people already have certificates to verify their identity and they have an incentive to keep those certificates secure. It should be possible to build an analog of "realpeople.io" using those certificates (or directly use certificates for authentication).
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