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Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

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Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#101
I'm in a somewhat similar situation, but I'm 50 and the equivalent of a cobol programmer - useful in my niche (financial services), and a lot of general experience in the field, incredibly useful to a few firms but I don't know the latest hottest tech stacks so not generally employable. Also not an entrepeneur, so a startup is out (don't have any good ideas anyway).

If I go, it'll have to be along the FIRE line, and I haven't figured out what the alternative revenue stream is. Probably consulting back to the industry part-time, as long as I don't take a couple years off and stop being "somebody".

I get the panic. It's hard to walk away from the job and the money and the status. It doesn't matter if you objectively don't need it - you get used to it. It's a massive security blanket - not just the money, but the perks, the being coddled by the company. And while hard work plays a part in getting there, you know that some of it's just pure luck. Are you going to just throw it away before you're sure you're done forever?

I've been at this level for 10 years now and all of the above just sinks into the bones. It's harder as you get older - age discrimination and all that, and you have fewer years in which to recover if you really do screw it up.

Have you thought about the health insurance angle? That's the biggest bind-up of all for me. You can't get decent health insurance without a full-time job.

I don't know how much help I am, because no I haven't screwed up the courage yet, and I don't have a good plan. But I understand the boat you're in.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#102
I am 38 yo now and I made 3 career decisions in my life that significantly reduced my income. I never regretted them, quite the contrary.

I was never as wealthy as you, but proportionally, it is a similar situation. My reserve wouldn't allow me to live for 3 years with no income, but I had the benefit (in my last move) of my wife being able (and willing) to pay the bills on a stable job she likes.

My decision process for those radical moves is: will I be able to endure the realistic worst case scenario?

In your case, I imagine this scenario would be something like this: failing miserably at your idea, not only financially, but not even enjoying working on it as you predict you will. During this period your family would be living in a significantly lower standard of living. A lot less luxury that 500k/year can afford. After 4 years and having consumed 1/3 or 1/2 of your reserves, you have to go back to the job market. You will find a job that will pay you 250k/year and you will hate less than your current one (this is the realistic part, I really doubt the skills that took you to a 500k job will not get you choices, even after a 4 year gap, if you are willing to earn half that).

Do you think you would be ok facing this worst case scenario? If you think it might lead you to desperation, depression and hurt your family relationships, don't do it. If you think it is not the end of the world and all your family is on the same page, do it.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#103

I just quit a $1M a year job at 45 years old, moved out of the city into the country, am working to bootstrap something from scratch, and am the happiest I've ever been. (That said, I'm one week into my "retirement", so time will tell.) I did the math and realized that I had "enough"; anything more would just be working to enlarge my kids inheritance. So there was nothing really stopping me except peer pressure. Give…

Do you have a blog or twitter account to follow?

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#104
I don't see how it takes "courage" or how it's a risk. If you're a software developer with in demand skills and have one of the FANG companies on your resume, it shouldn't take long to get a job if your startup fails. I don't have but one company that anyone has ever heard of on my resume, and I historically I can get a job in less than two or three weeks.

If you have $1 million in cash you have plenty of runway to find a job.

If you try, and your company fails, at least you tried. Studies show that people have a lot more regret about things they didn't try to do than things they tried and failed.

Life is short, go for it.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

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Good news on the living standard - I grew up in relative poverty, so that won't be as much of a problem. I still don't spend a lot these days...

>>I grew up in relative poverty Not sure what you are trying to say here. Do you want to go back to those days?

I'm okay with that, yes.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

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post #101

I'm in a somewhat similar situation, but I'm 50 and the equivalent of a cobol programmer - useful in my niche (financial services), and a lot of general experience in the field, incredibly useful to a few firms but I don't know the latest hottest tech stacks so not generally employable. Also not an entrepeneur, so a startup is out (don't have any good ideas anyway). If I go, it'll have to be along the FIRE line, and…

It's not about age discrimination. I'm only 6 years younger than you and while I'm not going to be working at the next cool hipster startup, I've been aggressive about learning the latest technology and moving around jobs to keep my skills current. It's never taken me more than two or three weeks from the time I started looking until I got an offer - and that's with me being relatively picky.

I would have no "security" being at the mercy of one company knowing that if they let me go, it would be hard to find another job. I felt a lot less secure between the time I was 28-34 when I had let my skills atrophy than I do now in my mid 40s and I look at job requirements in my market when I know I meet the qualifications.

As far as title, who cares? I left a job as a "senior architect" because I knew the road map wasn't going to allow me to stay current and took a job as a "senior developer" (making more money) at a company that would let me level up in my technical skills.

You can get decent insurance without a full time job - the ACA is still a thing. It costs a lot, but if you have savings or can generate enough income from your business - it's just another expense.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

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I’ve been in this exact same situation. My best advise would be to start your business aside while maintaining your current job. Do not quit until you have some sort of version #1 of your product or whatever that is. You need data before making your desicion. I planned everything in my head but my steps were way too vague. I will build this kind of products or I’m even gonna try that business that has nothing to do w…

I would give just the opposite advice - a man with one behind can't dance a two weddings. He has the savings, go for it. If he fails, go out and get another job.

Either decide to go all out or don't do it all. The stress of trying to juggle a full time job and a starting a business and being there for your family isn't worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#108
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I agree that drastic moves are not always wise. OP said they had 1.1M in the bank. If that money was invested in dividend stocks, they could have over 38K of passive income a year. In the US, dividend income is only taxed at 15%, too. They could opt to withdraw the 600K from the 401K, use that to buy a condo in cash, and live off the dividend income. Retire now, basically, and live a fairly comfortable life. It's not…

> If that money was invested in dividend stocks, they could have over 38K of passive income a year. In the US, dividend income is only taxed at 15%, too. They could opt to withdraw the 600K from the 401K, use that to buy a condo in cash, and live off the dividend income. Retire now, basically, and live a fairly comfortable life. Yep, I agree. This is my first thought as well. I don't think it necessarily needs divide…

The 4% rule is a good one as it's (as you mention) much more likely. Also, if your withdrawal rate is 4%, the likelihood of you seeing that income until you die is much, much higher.

As stated elsewhere, getting yourself down to spending 37k a year is going to be the hardest part, no matter where you live.

The problem I see, time and time again as a bystander to the financial industry is that people simple aren't saving enough, or what they have saved is overspent at a rate that's unsustainable. If one needs to live off of 24k/80k/200k a year in retirement; then their investments should reflect that.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#109

I don't see how it takes "courage" or how it's a risk. If you're a software developer with in demand skills and have one of the FANG companies on your resume, it shouldn't take long to get a job if your startup fails. I don't have but one company that anyone has ever heard of on my resume, and I historically I can get a job in less than two or three weeks. If you have $1 million in cash you have plenty of runway to f…

It depends how long the OP has been working at that FANG company. At 40 the only difference is that you’ve built solid roots inside of a company and that your high salary is there to keep you around for a long time. You’re definitely smart but how many young and fresh people are smarter that you out there? How many people want your job? You’re like an octopus holding on to a lot stuff so as soon as you leave your power goes down by a lot. They will replace you and you might be forgotten. If you apply at a different company later on you won’t have the same arguments to justify such a salary/position. I think if you’re very good (which I’m sure is the case for the OP) you’ll have to work your way back up. Meaning it is not that easy to get back to where you were before you quit.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?

#110
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In California, that's not the case. As long as it's not a competitor or in a similar space the company should have no claim to your business or ideas generated while not using the companies resources.

I asked a California business attorney this question. She said that you really don't have that much protection. If your idea/company is valuable enough, your huge tech company employer will just sue you into oblivion. The legal costs alone will bury you. The specific California statute that protects what you do with your own time and resources doesn't protect you very much.

It's some protection, and there are niches that none of those tech companies have touched yet. I don't see why people don't see them. If it's a thought that should normally occur in your work day because it could related to your job description or company's products that you could reasonably have an impact on then you're not protected. If it's completely out of left field relative to the previous items then there's no way they could lay claim to it. How could they? Tech is much broader that a lot of people generally think about. Let's say you're doing front end work and your company is some social network but at night you have a brilliant idea for automating biological sample isolation using some robotic system you conjured up during a cup of hot cocoa on the weekend? How is the company going to even attempt to sue you for it when you used none of their resources, the idea was worked on during non-standard hours, and it has nothing to do with them?

If by tech you mean "along the same lines of what I'm doing at work" then you're gonna have a rough time. I do hope that your mind has the ability to wander a bit further from the train of thought you have you typically have while doing what you're paid for.

This goes for the other two replies above as well. If you have an original idea then you're safe. The hard part is having an original idea or even an idea that is several steps removed from a previous idea but still useful.

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