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In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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> The friend/accomplice did not kill anybody, but was killed by police in a shootout; the defendant was charged with murder for this death. What the actual fuck? Then again, I can't say I'm suprised that it's in Alabama.

Taking cheap-shots at southern states with disreputable histories is easy, but the vast majority of states (46 out of 50, as of 2008) in America have a Felony Murder rule. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/felony_murder_doctrine

But tellingly, virtually only in the US. Other common law countries which had it, abolished it for being unconstitutional.

In any case, calling the (lawful) killing of a kid by the police a murder by an accomplice, is making a mockery of the term murder and of justice in general.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #88
post #74

I'm not in defense of Zuckerberg, but I have seen and fortunately stopped some young entrepreneurs doing atrociously invasive things in order to better understand and expand their product. I don't think this is necessarily a case of wickedness, but instead lack of knowledge and immaturity when the event happened.

Going into someone else's email to read what they have to say about you is something that even a three year old knows is wrong. If you have dealings with people like that and you're helping them don't be surprised when you find out they have used their money to open a child rape hotel somewhere in the developing world.

There's a big difference between email snooping and . . . that.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #91

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If it weren’t for Zuckerberg’s status these allegations wouldn’t have bothered coming out.

While that’s probably true, does that justify his actions?

No, but this consideration is evidence that the allegations may be false.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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I'm hopeful that Zuckerberg has matured at least slightly in the intervening 14 years.

Has he done anything to indicate that he's grown? 19-year old Zuckerberg seemed like a sociopath. Sociopaths tend to get smarter, but they don't usually grow souls.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #91

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While that’s probably true, does that justify his actions?

No, but this consideration is evidence that the allegations may be false.

It really isn't though. What happened after this incident has no bearing on what happened before the incident.

Does his status provide a motive for a false accusation? Sure, but that is different from evidence.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #9

Yeahh we need regulations on Facebook. The fact that he retains a majority voting share in the company, the fact that I now have zero trust in Zuckerberg AND Sandberg into doing the right thing, AND that there is no viable competition/users are too psychologically entwined to make the decision to detach from Facebook means the only checks and balances left against this unscrupulous individual is the US government. Un…

You know you could uh, stop using it. That goes for everyone else too.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #101
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking cheap-shots at southern states with disreputable histories is easy, but the vast majority of states (46 out of 50, as of 2008) in America have a Felony Murder rule. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/felony_murder_doctrine

But tellingly, virtually only in the US. Other common law countries which had it, abolished it for being unconstitutional. In any case, calling the (lawful) killing of a kid by the police a murder by an accomplice, is making a mockery of the term murder and of justice in general.

Not that my opinion on the law matters, but I'd say felony murder rules make a lot of sense in many scenarios. If you accidentally fatally knock a man to the ground while deliberately robbing him, that's felony murder even though the killing itself was accidental. After all, the robbery was no accident. Surely killing a man by accident while committing a felony is itself a heinous crime. Calling it manslaughter just doesn't cut it. Not in my book anyway.

It only gets weird when you have two or more criminals cooperating with each other. That's when you get scenarios where one of the criminals is lawfully killed (by the police or otherwise) and another is charged with felony murder. I don't have any statistics for it, but I suspect a more common scenario is one of the criminals commits 'traditional' murder and the other criminals are then charged with felony murder for their general participation. Without some sort of felony murder you might be able to get the other participants with some sort of "conspiracy to commit" type law, but maybe not.

A more serious criticism of felony murder laws is that it incentivizes killing more witnesses after one victim has been accidentally killed, particularly in states where capital punishment is on the table for felony murder. After all, if a criminal accidentally kills one victim and is now a candidate for execution, there is little incentive left for him to not deliberately murder any witnesses (under the theory that murdering witnesses lowers the probability of capture/conviction.) It's difficult to guess how many multiple-murders started out with an accidental killing that escalated in this manner. But I'd wager this has happened far more often than the scenario where a robber is charged with murder after the police gun down his partner.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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They're playing the status game. "Rewrite history" and "dated allegations" serve mostly to slander whoever made those claims. Then they raise Zuckerberg's status by pointing out his achievements. They're effectively saying the accusation isn't valid because Zuckerberg is nobility and the accusers are not.

This is called the ad populum fallacy. Trump uses it all the time.

Yep.. some people think he’s dumb but I’m not so sure about that. We think that when someone is full of fallacy that they simply don’t know any better, but what about the alternative? You can use fallacies as an effective tool to further your aims. We are so vulnerable to them that we must be educated about them to be able to fend them off. If the audience isn’t educated on how to identify and fend off the fallacy, it will be effective.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #91

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While that’s probably true, does that justify his actions?

No, but this consideration is evidence that the allegations may be false.

your circular logic translates to “the fact that these allegations even bothered to come out is evidence that they may be false”

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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post #26

On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

It's not piss behind a dumpster from drunken night out being judged; it's the core functioning of the business and product.

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