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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by AlexandrB » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:18 PM UTC

andr wrote: post #99

feelin_googley wrote: post #88

"The guy who was showing me around pointed out where they were building "apartments for our people to live". "So they'll work on campus, they'll eat on campus, they'll socialise on campus and now they'll sleep on campus?" I asked. I wondered whether maybe that was kind of unhealthy. Creepy, even. My guide looked right at me, and for a moment, his megawatt smile faltered. When he first worked there, it reminded him of…

While this may sound creepy for a foreigner, getting a decent apartment in the SF Bay Area is really expensive and the commutes are horrible. So in this context, that could be a good thing.

I think the opposite is more likely to be true. This sounds creepy because it is creepy and the only place it seems reasonable is in the increasingly disconnected culture of Silicon Valley.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by Someone » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:19 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #47

strictfp wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, GDPR only requires that any links from the data to the user should be destroyed, so that you can no longer figure out who created the data. This means that a lot of data will be left. And realistically I think that a lot of it will remain identifiable, just like anonymized data can be traced back to real users pretty easily if you have enough data points.

I’m not a GDPR lawyer, but I do live with one. My understanding is that an image is by itself PII, regardless of whether or not it has any additional information associated with it. I don’t think there’s a way to retain images without contravening GDPR.

Data doesn’t have to be PII to fall under the provisions of the GDPR. Personal Data doesn’t have to identify a person; relates to an identified or identifiable living individual is sufficient (https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...)

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by jlmorton » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:22 PM UTC

WovenTales wrote: post #33

The most unsettling part is in Facebook's response: “We’ve heard that when accessing their information from our Download Your Information tool, some people are seeing their old videos that do not appear on their profile or Activity Log. We are investigating.” Who wants to bet against their investigation being “how to keep users from seeing it.” Anyone?

I honestly don't understand this cynicism. Facebook does not want your deleted video, and they certainly don't want to keep it given the current media frenzy, with the CEO under fire.

Every application of any complexity has features which inactivate, but don't delete data. At Facebook scale, deleting data is non-trivial, and it would be impossible to immediately delete something.

We all have bugs, including extremely critical security bugs, availability-threatening performance bugs, or many other types of bugs. It's strange that we accept those bugs as merely bugs, without assuming a backdoor, or intentional sabotage, but when it comes to personal data, suddenly it's a nefarious plot. It's an odd position to take that Facebook is not only saving these deleted videos intentionally (for what, exactly?) but that they'll now lie to us and pretend to delete them, but only remove it from their Download Information tool.

Kudos to Facebook for even having such a tool.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by sandov » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:23 PM UTC

Isn't it kinda obvious that fb 'secretly' stores everything that may be beneficial to the company?. Who is still so naive as to believe that they care about your privacy?

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by hutzlibu » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:24 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #93

pdkl95 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> expecting a non-tech-savvy person to understand how data moves around the Internet Then we - the people that do have the necessary technical knowledge - have a duty to teach them what they need to know. This isn't necessarily "how data moves on the internet". Yes, this can be difficult and tedious, but understanding the risk profile for data/networks is increasingly important as networks become involved in everythi…

I don't think it's because they don't understand or because they don't care, it's just overwhelming. Think about it, to have any basic grasp of understanding regarding the security infrastructure of the internet you need to have a basic understanding of network connections, how HTTPS works, how files are stored on your computer, how files are sent across computers, how your average database works etc... Think about t…

"That made me realize that there are probably many people out there who think their files are safe as long as their Windows password isn't compromised even if the disc is not encrypted."

Of course they assume it. Partly also because windows tells you, if you loose your password, you can no longer access your account, which is bs and they know it and tell you only for "felt Security".

And encryption ... What is that?

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by aidaman » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:25 PM UTC

"They're looking into it."

AKA they will continue harvesting the data but be better about not letting you know what is being harvested.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by meddlepal » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:26 PM UTC

feelin_googley wrote: post #88

"The guy who was showing me around pointed out where they were building "apartments for our people to live". "So they'll work on campus, they'll eat on campus, they'll socialise on campus and now they'll sleep on campus?" I asked. I wondered whether maybe that was kind of unhealthy. Creepy, even. My guide looked right at me, and for a moment, his megawatt smile faltered. When he first worked there, it reminded him of…

Isn't this just a 21st century company town? What's old is new again.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by BadassFractal » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:27 PM UTC

How do I mass-delete all of my Facebook data? Likes, posts, etc. Is there a reputable tool out there that can take care of it for me since Facebook doesn't provide you with one?

I'm generally ok with keeping Facebook just as a contacts list, but I'd rather not have it have anything else.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by Kequc » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:28 PM UTC

Storage costs next to nothing, recovery costs a lot. Why would facebook who depends on this data for income ever delete it. You get two massive benefits from keeping it and setting a "deleted" flag.

Why would anyone expect anything different. How entitled do people feel they are.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by jononor » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 11:29 PM UTC

stale2002 wrote: post #50

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has many supporters(not me). I don't think any facebook users particularly like facebook, it's just where "everyone" is.

Exactly this. Who even supports FB? The media? No, they hate them because they took all their ad revenue. Republicans? No, they hate them for the censorship controversy that happened a year or so ago, and because it is full of ultra left wing silicon Valley types. Democrats? No, they hate them for the whole Cambridge analytica, Russian data thing. Facebook has made a lot of enemies, and there really isn't any sort of…

Bunch of companies get a lot of their customers through Facebok. Those will probably support (finanically and otherwise) FB as long as there are no obviously better ways to get customers. Not for any sentimental reason, just because their business relies on it.