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Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by cgmg » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 6:43 PM UTC

gm-conspiracy wrote: post #99

cgmg wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue here. So your value proposition is to make it harder to organize events and find out what’s going on?

I am not happy where we are as a society. The "easy-ness" diminishes the quality of interaction.

> The "easy-ness" diminishes the quality of interaction.

For you, maybe. For me and others, it makes it easier to organize events and coordinate meetings with friends. Why do you assume your experience is universal? It might be a problem in your circle, but that doesn’t mean it is in everyone else’s.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by quasimodem » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 7:09 PM UTC

I fantasize about Facebook just one day utterly disappearing. No warning, just quietly taken offline without explanation, all data deleted without a whisper.

The world would absolutely freak out like never before and I would sit back and chortle with delight as I watched my fellow people throw tantrums like little babies for months on end. Think of the lawsuits and blubbering that would ensue!

I think it would be an excellent lesson to society that they shouldn't ever, ever, ever entrust their personal data to a profit-driven corporation again.

Out of the ashes would arise a better, decentralized system and control would be given back to the individuals and we would stop hating each other and being glued to our fucking phones all the time and, well ok this fantasy has gone off the rails, but you get the idea!

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by marssaxman » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 8:06 PM UTC

errantmind wrote: post #24

FargoPelz wrote: post #10

If you're concerned about "consign[ing] my personal data, beliefs, preferences, relationships, work history, daily plans, and private messages to a massive advertising corporation" but don't want to miss out on seminal life events, why not just maintain a Facebook account without ever posting to it? As long as you remain friends with people you need to keep in touch with, but never post anything or fill out your pers…

You do give up privacy just by having a profile on facebook. It makes it easy to tie your browsing habits to your account, even if you are logged out. See previous discussion : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14694451

This is why I only check Facebook using Chrome, on my home computer, using Firefox for everything else (with ads/trackers etc blocked, obviously). And of course I've never installed any facebook apps on my phone. I have checked mbasic.facebook.com from my phone a couple times, in an incognito window; that seemed like it was probably a reasonable level of risk.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by wilsonnb » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 8:38 PM UTC

quasimodem wrote: post #102

I fantasize about Facebook just one day utterly disappearing. No warning, just quietly taken offline without explanation, all data deleted without a whisper. The world would absolutely freak out like never before and I would sit back and chortle with delight as I watched my fellow people throw tantrums like little babies for months on end. Think of the lawsuits and blubbering that would ensue! I think it would be an…

How would that be a lesson to society about entrusting personal data to corporations?

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by hueving » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 9:03 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #60

hueving wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does wifi impact it if location services are disabled? Or are you referring to apps that have permissions to list wireless networks?

You can safely assume the GPS coordinates of just about every WiFi egress IP address to be known.

Oh, I see. You're referring to even using the connection.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by harel » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 11:23 PM UTC

ethics_gradient wrote: post #98

harel wrote: post #81

Social networks and Facebook in general are a certain aspect of "progress" in society. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's ubiquitous enough that it's considered a primary contact channel that reaches many people at once. Not liking it/hating it/etc. is fine. It's one's own prerogative. But don't complain other people find it useful and you will be left behind because you don't. An exaggerated analogy is like saying "I d…

It's not that the author didn't get to chat about people's lunch on Facebook every morning. It's that the author wasn't invited to things he should have been invited to because to many people, "I invited everyone from my FB list" sounds like they invited everyone they reasonably could. Which is not true. The author explicitly says that he is easy to find. And his school friends should take the extra several minutes t…

All fair points and an indication to the quality of 'friends' sometimes who might or might not make the effort. One point I'll make is that being on LinkedIn, to me, as what being on Facebook is for him. I don't like LinkedIn, but I'm on it, reluctantly. I am only there for potential business and 'presence'. My "contacts" are mostly former colleagues, and recruiters. Every button click on LinkedIn requires a second thought as it might be a contact harvesting trap or worst. I really don't like it, yet I'm there because I realise that sometimes this is a viable channel for this or that purpose.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by graeme » Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 12:22 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #19

graeme wrote: post #13

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Even on iphone with content blockers running and location services disabled for most apps except while using? Referring to ad companies here, not NSA etc

Yep. Unless you disable your WiFi and only use a VPN while you are connecting to the web via your phone.

So the ISP/wifi network owner sells it to advertisers? Or the advertisers are able to get it from browser data they collect even when trackers are blocked?

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by quasimodem » Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 6:30 AM UTC

wilsonnb wrote: post #104

quasimodem wrote: post #102

I fantasize about Facebook just one day utterly disappearing. No warning, just quietly taken offline without explanation, all data deleted without a whisper. The world would absolutely freak out like never before and I would sit back and chortle with delight as I watched my fellow people throw tantrums like little babies for months on end. Think of the lawsuits and blubbering that would ensue! I think it would be an…

How would that be a lesson to society about entrusting personal data to corporations?

I mean, insofar as society can learn anything, I think if your entire last 10+ years of photos and love letters and baby pictures and the other trillion gigs of intimate shit people have eagerly given to FB suddenly disappeared, you might be a little less willing to so unconditionally trust the next FB that comes along. IDK man! By that point, there's a new generation chompin' at the bit to give away their gigs of content and the cycle repeats. Guess we're stuck w/ FB forever. And war. War will never go away either.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by dexterdog » Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 2:18 PM UTC

ExcelSaga wrote: post #29

dexterdog wrote: post #25

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Don't use the app and they won't know most of that.

Also don’t let your friends and family use it, block their Pixel, don’t let them buy brokered info on you, don’t let anyone else with Facebook on your WiFi... and do this all perfectly 100% of the time.

They can't track you if you're not using their app on your phone. Use a sandboxed version (there are many) and it's not running and tracking you other than when you're actually using it. You can also sandbox it on your computer if you like, but there are many privacy blockers that will keep them from tracking you all over the web if you want to just use it in your regular browser.

Re: Personal Reason for Hating Facebook (2015)

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Post by Cd00d » Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 3:40 AM UTC

tzs wrote: post #51

> I hate that, if I somehow don’t want to consign my personal data, beliefs, preferences, relationships, work history, daily plans, and private messages to a massive advertising corporation, I have to risk missing out on seminal life events. Why not have a Facebook account but only use it read-only for the most part? Nothing requires that you post your beliefs, work history, daily plans and such. That's what I do. I…

This is actually the reason I quit FB. Nobody was saying anything, but being on FB seemed to replace normal modes of checking in with distant friends and family. Instead of long emails, texts, or phone calls it felt like everyone just defaulted to posting the occasional link or super insidery update.