Docker really needs to provide some transparency around these decisions. People are concerned about the future of the ecosystem. They have every right to shutdown aspects of their offering. But the community deserves an explainstion. This notice didn’t even attempt to explain the decision. Is Docker stopping development on swarm? Getting out of the PaaS business? Downsizing?
Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
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Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
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i would encourage you to try Swarm. Its brilliant in its simplicity. I think Docker product marketing and customer success basically sucks. But Swarm as a product has been really, really nice. And yes I continuously evaluate kubernetes and swarm side by side. You can get a swarm cluster running in less than 10 minutes on your local laptop after "apt-get install docker-ce". To run k8s, you will need to first muck abou…
$ brew cask install minikube $ minikube start
minikube is a specific version/distro/packaging of kubernetes meant for testing on local laptop.
Docker Swarm runs exactly the same way with exactly the same components and with the same ease on laptop as well as the cloud.
TL;DR - you cant run minikube in production.
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
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The registry itself can be self-hosted easily, however everything on top (authentication, web UI, automation, ...) is surprisingly difficult. Plus technical challenges as pointed out by other commenters.
GitLab includes a full docker registry, with all that. Just run a custom GitLab instance, and you get all that for free. For my open source projects on git.kuschku.de I also have a gitlab container registry on k8r.eu, and it’s been amazing to work with.
AWS has a registry as well. Both solutions are and easy way to host private and public repos. But Dockerhub offers access to a huge ecosystem that everyone is already plugged into that would be devastating if it shut down. You’d potentially have to re create so many base images from scratch.
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
#104What was the point of acquiring Tutum killing it, rebranding to Docker Cloud and killing it as well.
Tutum actually worked and I really liked it. Now I plan to use Rancher on top of kubernetes for my docker hosting
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
#105It was long known since they did not ship any new update since August 2016. We at Turing Analytics migrated to Rancher labs about 6 months ago. They should have announced it earlier and should have given more time to paying customers. I am glad I migrated very early.
I played around with rancher in my VM and with three servers.
And it always lost its ip sec connections and only a reboot helped.
I liked it though...
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
#106The timing of this (shutdown on 21 May) made me wonder if it's related to the GDPR coming into effect starting on 25 May.
I am thinking that it sets them up to announce something (possibly fully embracing K8s) at DockerCon[0] which is a few weeks after.
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
$ brew cask install minikube $ minikube start
minikube is a specific version/distro/packaging of kubernetes meant for testing on local laptop. Docker Swarm runs exactly the same way with exactly the same components and with the same ease on laptop as well as the cloud. TL;DR - you cant run minikube in production.
It's just Kubernetes in a VM, like Docker on Mac is just docker in a VM.
You can run Kubernetes on your Linux device machine as-is.
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
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> Twitter users People . People are up in arms. Anyway, yeah, that's insane. Even Google, who constantly shuts stuff down, usually does so with way more heads up. For comparison, Google Reader, a completely free service, shut down with 3.5 months advance notice. Google Wave got almost 6 months notice.
I do think that for commercial services like services in the Google cloud platform they give a year+.
All Google Cloud GA features will have at least 1 year of deprecation period.
7.2 Deprecation Policy. Google will announce if it intends to discontinue or make backwards incompatible changes to the Services specified at the URL in the next sentence. Google will use commercially reasonable efforts to continue to operate those Services versions and features identified at https://cloud.google.com/terms/deprecation without these changes for at least one year after that announcement, unless (as Google determines in its reasonable good faith judgment):
(i) required by law or third party relationship (including if there is a change in applicable law or relationship), or
(ii) doing so could create a security risk or substantial economic or material technical burden.
The above policy is the "Deprecation Policy."
Disclaimer I work for Google in Cloud.
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
#109We are extremely worried about the future of Docker Swarm as well. We love Swarm - but we are seeing most work out of the Docker team is to give a migration path to kubernetes. A huge number of docker swarm networking bugs are not being worked on. We will be happy if Docker talks about Swarm becoming a management UX for K8s - but we need visibility. These are production orchestration systems. The migration path is no…
Why did you pick Swarm for production? We followed Swarm from the beginning, but after a few releases at v0.4 it was clear not to ever use Swarm, and that it mostly was the Docker PR machine that made it sound nice, and not the actual features. Maybe it got better later on, but the first several Swarm announcements seemed really off-putting to me. We ended up on Mesos/Marathon, not that that has a bright future eithe…
Is HashiCorp’s Nomad in a similar position at this point? I really enjoy it’s (relative) simplicity.
Re: Cluster and app management services in Docker Cloud are shutting down on May 21
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> What would happen if this was docker hub? Panic! Isn't docker hub relatively easy to replace, in comparison? Otherwise, is this a wakeup call perhaps?
References to docker hub is hardcoded into a LOT of code/config..
I suspect the majority are unqualified references, i.e. 'markbnj/unbound' that rely on docker using the hub as a default repository.