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Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#102

Well, I certainly won't be staying at any Marriott hotels any more. That's an abysmal way of handling things.

I think these personal boycotts are important and I also participate in them (Nestle, Facebook, etc).

But it's unfortunate know that we will likely never be able to match the scale of a boycott from China.

edit: However if China keeps doing stunts like this then companies might be able to make the decision not to do business there.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#103

Firing the employee seems counterproductive. It hurts morale, and doesn't actually solve the problem.

I’m not sure Tiebtan independence is a problem that Marriott can solve.

Tho they can't solve it single-handedly, they can refuse to be part of the problem by kowtowing to the Chinese Communist Party.

And in case it isn't clear: the only proper attitude to this kind of bullying from the likes of dictatorial regimes is Eff 'em.

China are only trying to bully everyone into helping propagate a lie. The fact is that they invaded the country of Tibet in living memory and it's leader still lives in exile. It was nothing but a territorial land and water resources grab. And they have been working on cultural genocide ever since, starting with burning monastaries within the first week of the invasion, and continuing with in-migration of Chinese to swamp the traditional culture, and kidnapping Tibet's religious leaders.

We may not be able to force their hand, but every company and person can refuse to participate in their lying charade. (and just to be clear, my beef is with the CCP, not the people of China, who are largely just as subject to the unjust govt)

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real story is he has no employment rights because he's in America and he's "at will." They can dismiss him because they don't like his lunch selection that day and he has no rights. That's at will employment. This type of situation plays out all over the country everyday.

Forcing employers to keep employees they don't like, for any reason beyond discrimination, isn't the answer. The better answer is, IMO, better social safety net so people making $14/hr don't end up on the streets just because their job goes away.

But in the USA, we insist that the unemployed suffer to fluff the moral vanity of the wealthy. It is the flip side of "meritocracy" -- wealth is evidence of moral superiority while poverty is evidence of moral inferiority, and more dramatic the comparison the stronger the proof that success is deserved.

"There but for my own prodigious talent and relentless drive to succeed go I."

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#105
post #90

Stories like this are how companies end up on my mental boycott list which is fairly indefinite especially when their value-add over competitors is limited or non-existent. I'd be glad to read the other side of this as I usually don't like to draw conclusions from pieces like this, but I suspect it's pretty clear in this case. /me slots Marriott just above Nestle in mental Rolodex. Bet they can't quantify that, I don…

Firing one employee is "just above" starving thousands of babies in Africa?

Alphabetically, yes :-)

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#106
I find stories like this very frustrating. It seems pretty clear that:

1) Roy Jones did nothing wrong, but lost his job through no fault of his own.

2) Marriott did something morally wrong because it was easy, and will suffer zero consequences.

3) China doesn't really care about the underlying issue, but is engaging in a cynical power play to exert dominance.

In a better world, Marriott would have refused to buckle, or having done so, would face meaningful consequences. In this world, the only party in this sotry to actually suffer is the only one who is morally blameless. And that's just how it is.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#107

"Dozens of social media accounts were tweeting angry things, including many death threats, at both Roy and Marriott. This seems especially odd considering Twitter itself is officially banned in China, and thus can be accessed only by residents breaking the law or by bot accounts." Not sure why they assume that "dozens of social media accounts" of pro-China supporters is not possible. They're making some weird assumpt…

Everyone outside china sees tibet, tiawan as seperate countries half invaded by qn incompetent and opressive china.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#108
A company will always err on the side of firing an employee when threatened with a lawsuit or government action. The principle behind this behavior is very simple: make sure the finger is pointed at the party least capable of fighting for its own rights. It's anecdote time using this throwaway account.

I used to work as a software engineer at a major hedge fund, where most of the computer systems were run by an outside vendor. One of these systems was a Flash-based data tool, an archaic piece of work that was poorly implemented, entirely undocumented, and thoroughly hated by everyone at the firm. I was part of a three-person team who, along with the CTO, were hired to replace this website. We were told to use whatever means were necessary to figure out a way to build better systems for the hedge fund.

On a fine summer afternoon not so long ago, my teammate was trying to figure out how the existing Flash-based website worked. This person downloaded a popular Flash decompilation tool in order to peek at the UI source code. Neither him nor me were aware that the same vendor who ran this Flash-based website had also installed surveillance software that pulled web browsing history from every computer at the firm.

It turned out that the firm's contract with this vendor included explicit verbiage that prohibited any kind of reverse engineering of the Flash-based website, and specifically called out Flash decompilation as a forbidden activity. Obviously, none of the employees were ever notified of this clause in the contract, and were unaware of the forbidden nature of this activity.

A few days later, the entire department - the "offending" colleague and two other engineers including myself, as well as the CTO - were all summarily fired for violating a contract clause that none knew about.

This man's story is sad and regrettable, yet it does not surprise me in the least. The firm screwed up, and chose to take a course of action that limited its own responsibility at the expense of four livelihoods.

Sic transit gloria mundi, while American greed continues on its own vicious course.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there another country that has "at will" employment to the extent that the US does?

Pretty much all of them except a few European nations.

Pretty much no other developed country has this. Hell most Eastern European countries don't have this.
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