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Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by dhimes »

oldsklgdfth wrote: post #85
nopreserveroot wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can collect all they like, but if you never see any advertisements, it has little influence over you. I was not commenting on the violation of privacy these bad actors commit through the collection.

It's easy to ignore the ads if you know they are ads. What about sponsered content in movies, music, tv, news, etc? We have seen all of these used. The drive to promote a message to someone goes waay beyond advertising.

Exactly. Or that innocuous Medium post that just seems like some guy talking, when in fact it is a carefully crafted piece of psychological manipulation.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by nopreserveroot »

Goronmon wrote: post #87
nopreserveroot wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not understand how anyone in 2018 finds the internet remotely usable without some form of ad blocker. This is how you ignore the modern salesman.

I do not understand how anyone in 2018 finds the internet remotely usable without some form of ad blocker. This is how you ignore the modern salesman. It's actually pretty simple. You just don't visit sites with ads that bother you.

EDIT: Ads bother me because they are a security hole, so you're saying I should only visits sites without them? Please.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by Goronmon »

nopreserveroot wrote: post #102
Goronmon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not understand how anyone in 2018 finds the internet remotely usable without some form of ad blocker. This is how you ignore the modern salesman. It's actually pretty simple. You just don't visit sites with ads that bother you.

EDIT: Ads bother me because they are a security hole, so you're saying I should only visits sites without them? Please.

If your point was about security then you should have stated that. It seems unhelpful to assume that someone responding to your post is a mind-reader.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by z_open »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #82

For the life of me I can't remember where I originally read this quote, but it forever changed my perspective of FB. Paraphrased: "Facebook is 3 things: the wall, the messaging, and an automatically updating rolodex." Many apps fill 1 and/or 2, but nothing satisfies #3. There is no alternative. For better or for worse: I want to stay in touch with people I've met in the oddest places. In the middle of bumsquash Urugu…

It being an automatically updating rolodex is the issue. Live without this luxury so that people can maintain their freedom to privacy. Keep in mind that even if you don't care about your own freedom to privacy, you using these services removes everyone else's freedom to privacy, even when they have not consented.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by egypturnash »

deft wrote: post #72
snvzz wrote: post #66

Something I can't figure out from Mastodon's website is where and how it uses cryptography. I fear it might all be plaintext, despite the insanity of doing that in the present post-Snowden world, rather than the appropriate end-to-end combined with point-per-point encryption.

It's not encrypted afaik at all, besides https but that would be up to the host of the instance. Where do you want the encryption to happen and how? Anyone can federate with you.

Followers-only toots and private toots are a good candidate for encryption.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by nothrabannosir »

vanderZwan wrote: post #89
nothrabannosir wrote: post #82

For the life of me I can't remember where I originally read this quote, but it forever changed my perspective of FB. Paraphrased: "Facebook is 3 things: the wall, the messaging, and an automatically updating rolodex." Many apps fill 1 and/or 2, but nothing satisfies #3. There is no alternative. For better or for worse: I want to stay in touch with people I've met in the oddest places. In the middle of bumsquash Urugu…

Honestly, I think this is more a problem of perception than anything else. For one thing, loss aversion makes us think we'll miss things way more than we'll do (see also: FOMO). Losing contact with people mostly involves not thinking about them. If you don't think about them, you don't miss them either. Friends come and go in life, it's natural. And if you did miss them, you'd put in work to keep in touch through oth…

> Losing contact with people mostly involves not thinking about them. If you don't think about them, you don't miss them either.

This is so far removed from how I interact with the world around me that I have a hard time empathising. I’ll keep it scientific and factual: more than once, I’ve gone back to a place I visited over a decade ago. I went on Facebook, found the person that used to live there, got in touch, and had varying types of “fun”, as humans call it. The crucial point here is that I can’t tell in advance which places, until I decide to go.

I… your suggestion for the future is to “not think about them”? Ehh.. no thank you?

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by Mc_Big_G »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #82

For the life of me I can't remember where I originally read this quote, but it forever changed my perspective of FB. Paraphrased: "Facebook is 3 things: the wall, the messaging, and an automatically updating rolodex." Many apps fill 1 and/or 2, but nothing satisfies #3. There is no alternative. For better or for worse: I want to stay in touch with people I've met in the oddest places. In the middle of bumsquash Urugu…

For some of us, the convenience isn't worth selling your soul and selling out your country.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

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Post by oldsklgdfth »

dhimes wrote: post #101
oldsklgdfth wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to ignore the ads if you know they are ads. What about sponsered content in movies, music, tv, news, etc? We have seen all of these used. The drive to promote a message to someone goes waay beyond advertising.

Exactly. Or that innocuous Medium post that just seems like some guy talking, when in fact it is a carefully crafted piece of psychological manipulation.

Lifestyle marketing isn't a new idea. It's part of what made tabacoo successful. But they were making educated guesses on what might work, i.e. the cowboy smoking.

The difference I see is that there is feedback on the ads other than sales and it seems like you could closely tailor ads to specific demographics.

Re: DeleteFacebook: Perspective from Mastodon

#109

Post by egypturnash »

pound wrote: post #43
jdpigeon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Donald Trump is the President of the United States should be evidence enough that democracy is in serious danger.

Democracy is not in danger, this is exactly what democracy is. Like it or not but he is quite a telling representative of a big part of the population. And democracy means majority rules. As simple as that. Consider it in light of 80-20 %% rule.

> And democracy means majority rules. As simple as that.

Popular vote totals:

62,984,825: Trump 65,853,516: Clinton

Vote weights, per state, due to the electoral college: https://theconversation.com/whose-votes-count-the-least-in-t...

Also of course there are things like gerrymandering and voter suppression to consider. Democracy is a pretty complicated mess.

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