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Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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What indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then?

He doesn’t just outright say that stuff anymore. No evidence he doesn’t still think it, but he doesn’t say it.

No wonder. Wasn't he planning to run for president?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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> It really seems like Aleksandr Kogan, not Facebook, is the problem here Kogan probably breached the terms he agreed to with Facebook. But fifty million people trusted Facebook with their data and, when asked in their privacy settings, said they didn't want it shared with third parties. That information was then shared with third parties. If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would…

Everyone sets up their own account's privacy settings though, and as far as I know, this information didn't include anything that wasn't already publicly available.

That is not clear at all, based on another article. [1] Further, Facebook's lawyers told Wylie that the data was illicitly obtained, though now apparently they've changed their approach.

[1] 'Kogan was able to throw money at the hard problem of acquiring personal data: he advertised for people who were willing to be paid to take a personality quiz on Amazon’s Mechanical Turk and Qualtrics. At the end of which Kogan’s app, called thisismydigitallife, gave him permission to access their Facebook profiles. And not just theirs, but their friends’ too. On average, each “seeder” – the people who had taken the personality test, around 320,000 in total – unwittingly gave access to at least 160 other people’s profiles, none of whom would have known or had reason to suspect.' --from https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistl...

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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>If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook. Yeah - see that's not how it works. CA and companies like them have developed far more clever ways to influence you than targeted advertising. The best of these techniques go undetected by you, and are coordinated by m…

Don't mistake my form of emphasis as overly-emotional behavior, or my statements as any indication that I see myself as significantly more rational than the average person. There are steps you can take to make yourself less susceptible to propaganda, and it starts with disengaging from the Huxleyan, social media, dopamine machine. Until you do that it's near impossible to get a real sense of your own cognitive biases…

So the millions of voters that are by any definition technically illiterate and consumed by said dopamine machine...possible your loved ones...do you not seek justice for their sake?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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That text was so long ago I don't think it's relevant anymore. Oprah Winfrey was also crack cocaine smoker in a cycle of abusive relationships in her late twenties. If people choose to change their perspectives they can, and everything indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then.

"Everything indicates"? Facebook's vision for their product and the future world is appalling. Zuckerberg may be doing his best, but he continues to helm a product/service which is structurally bad for its users even before you consider the surveillance aspect. What could you possibly have in mind as evidence for Zuckerberg being any more than superficially competent for the social role he is playing?

Social role? Until further notice, America is a capitalist country and Zuckerberg’s score says it all. Who needs social roles?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Exactly. Also doesnt say much about Oprah maturing - search youtbe on “oprah saying white people need to die”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oprah-winfrey-old-white-pe... - FALSE

She did say:

> there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die.

She didn't actually say white, but what else was she referring to?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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> It really seems like Aleksandr Kogan, not Facebook, is the problem here Kogan probably breached the terms he agreed to with Facebook. But fifty million people trusted Facebook with their data and, when asked in their privacy settings, said they didn't want it shared with third parties. That information was then shared with third parties. If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would…

Everyone sets up their own account's privacy settings though, and as far as I know, this information didn't include anything that wasn't already publicly available.

The whistleblower said they had access to private messages. Are those ever publicly available? I don't see any privacy settings for messages in my FB profile.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Just get the f### off Facebook, already. If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook. If you don't like how Facebook is being used as an addictive propaganda tool by any and all political actors, including Facebook itself, then get the f### off Facebook. Ask the F…

>If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook.

The people that vote based on targeted advertising may not be the ones that have a problem with it. This is like if people complained the pool has too much pee in it, you told the complainers to stop peeing in it.

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Exactly. Also doesnt say much about Oprah maturing - search youtbe on “oprah saying white people need to die”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oprah-winfrey-old-white-pe... - FALSE

I see, so the proof that she didn't say so is a website with 3 embedded youtube videos where ... she says exactly that.

Hmm, okay.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I have a personal story from inside facebook to share. and when I shared this story on my facebook my personal facebook was suspended too. 5 years ago Facebook recruiter reached out to me and invited me to the W hotel in Chicago. I was very excited -not for the job- but for the opportunity to meet with senior Facebook managers and tell them about an evil thing Facebook does. Here is the background story: I am Kurdish…

It is surprising to me how easy Internet companies are bullied into censorship. Services should start carrying the "Banned in Turkey" flag as a badge of honor. "Banned in China" is required nowadays if you want to be taken seriously anyway. For individuals, "Banned from Facebook" has a similar note. For a time now, Kurdish interests have been prosecuted by Facebook. And not just in Turkey.

I think the likes of WeChat and Alibaba have Western companies thinking twice before proudly wearing a "Banned in China" badge.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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By that logic does every FB app that stores collected data on non-FB servers represent a breach? The crucial point here is that the users authorized the app to collect the data. Facebook has an extremely extensive authorization system for you to grant apps access to your data. Did Kogan use this system differently than every other FB app? What technical measures did he need to circumvent in order to get access to the…

> The crucial point here is that the users authorized the app to collect the data A quarter of a million people authorized the app to collect their data. It then gained access to fifty million peoples' data. Those extra data were accessed without proper authorization. All of the data were then used in an unauthorized manner. > What technical measures did he need to circumvent in order to get access to the data that y…

I get the point you’re trying to make, but I’m skeptical that a breach can be non-technical if there exists a technical framework whitelisting what apps can and cannot do. By implementing an explicit system for granting app access to user accounts, Facebook is effectively setting the boundaries of apps within that system. How can Facebook then arbitrarily pick an app utilizing the system that Facebook setup to protect user data, and say the app is breaching user data? If it’s a breach, the problem is the system by Facebook. If that’s true, then there must be a “bug” (technical or not) that Kogan exploited in the system. In that case I would expect Facebook to fix the “bug.” Yet the bug is the system itself. There is nothing to fix.
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