What would happen if someone was to lose access to their wallets? Would they still have to pay taxes? If my memory serves me right, close to 4 million bitcoins are missing.
The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
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Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
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Of course, it's just what I expected since every other reputable investment business does this. However, my concern is less from that and more from the $30. Will they care?
It depends on your definition of “care”. As other comments have noted, you might get a letter. History suggests they would not be likely to attempt to prosecute you for tax evasion. https://www.hrblock.com/tax-center/irs/tax-responsibilities/... They do have a limited budget for enforcement and they prioritize accordingly.
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I'll calculate my own taxes thank you very much. If big brother doesn't agree, then I'll show my work and sources. Otherwise, the less they know the better.
Having been there, big brother doesn't care to see your work. They just send you another bill, plus interest. I think you'd need to get a lawyer for them to even look at your work.
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#104Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
It's not just Intuit and H&R Block. A lot of us small business owners don't want the IRS knowing every detail of our businesses in order to just magically send us a pre-filled return each year. The current tax system places responsibility on you, the investor, to tabulate all of your gains and losses, but it also gives you the freedom to invest in complex and unusual transactions like coins in the first place. Don't…
For the 99% of us who aren't small business owners, the IRS already has all our information: my W-2's, 1099's, etc. are already sent there by my employer/bank/broker. Making me do my tax returns anyway is literally useless, just busywork for its own sake.
> The current tax system places responsibility on you, the investor, to tabulate all of your gains and losses, but it also gives you the freedom to invest in complex and unusual transactions like coins in the first place.
As people have explained countless times, letting the IRS compute your returns for you in no way precludes the ability for you to do it yourself, if you desire. That is how it works in every other country - most people just accept the government's return, the people who have complex financials file their own. Stop making the rest of us do pointless work just because of your paranoia.
Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
#105Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
I'll calculate my own taxes thank you very much. If big brother doesn't agree, then I'll show my work and sources. Otherwise, the less they know the better.
The current system is like having to write your own credit card statement, mail it in to the CC company, and getting penalized if you get it wrong.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll calculate my own taxes thank you very much. If big brother doesn't agree, then I'll show my work and sources. Otherwise, the less they know the better.
Having been there, big brother doesn't care to see your work. They just send you another bill, plus interest. I think you'd need to get a lawyer for them to even look at your work.
I replied to the bill with the relevant paperwork and a 1 page letter explaining what happened, and the IRS agreed I did not actually owe them anything. No lawyer required.
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#107Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
This. It could be so simple. Have the IRS suggest what they think I owe - they can have all the metadata, and I'll happily just pay the taxes. If someone doesn't agree, they can do their own return. The current system is so inefficient and wastes a lot of people's time.
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#108One of the tax implications I’ve often thought about is those that heavily trade among different cryptos. If I buy $10k of Intel, it grows to $15k and I sell it to buy $15k of Google, I owe tax on the $5k gain. Now, perhaps one could argue that there is no “liquidity” event by trading one crypto for another. But perhaps the IRS argues there is a phantom liquidity event during such a trade. The IRS generally doesn’t l…
I mean where does it end? If I tell you I'll pay you 10000 dollars for the pocket lint in your pocket, did you just make a gain of 10k? Do you now owe the IRS 10k? If you haven't actually made any legal tender, how can you be taxed on a trade at all? The value of something is completely relative, speculative, and ever-changing.
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#109Does this right generate taxable income?"
Huh.
Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders
#110Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.
>>Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. Unlike stocks which seem to be entirely traded on exchanges, bitcoin could have been obtained through mining (unlikely, but possible) or a true person-to-person trade/barter. In order to calculate capital gains, one needs to know the cost-basis (i.e. the pri…
You could have bought stock directly from the company, in an IPO or secondary offering (where it does not go through an exchange), from an individual or broker not intermediated by an exchange, etc.
You can keep stock certificates in a safe deposit box, and then later transfer them into your brokerage account, they have no idea what you paid for them.
This is a solved problem, cryptocurrency is not special. If they have the cost basis they can tell you, if not, they can leave it blank.