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Re: Developer Survey Results

#101

Post by lozenge »

benkuhn wrote: post #79

It's a little disappointing to see so many developers--maybe on average the most comfortable job in the world right now--prioritizing comforts like compensation, using their favorite languages, or remote work, over helping to improve the world. Over 45% of men prioritized one of the above three, whereas a mere 6.5% prioritized "How widely used or impactful the product or service I'd be working on is." Revealingly, "H…

How have you had an impact? I'm curious because when I looked, the impact I could have through my job (at the cost of 2,000 hours a year) seemed quite small, and the impact of donating high. I'm aware the topic has been covered in great detail, eg by the organization 80,000 hours.

You are happy doing something because of its impact, but to expect everybody else to seems very presumptive.

Edit: just noticed who you are ha ha

Re: Developer Survey Results

#102

Post by lucideer »

shaki-dora wrote: post #84
conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

Nice bit of victim blaming... “If you want to be paid the same as a man, maybe you should not have made ‘not being groped’ [aka company culture] your top priority!”

If all of the items women prioritise above pay were related to the extra challenge of surviving in sexist workplaces as a woman, your comment would be valid. However that, and—possibly—working from home/remotely, are the only two where this applies (the latter was ranked similarly at 10.2% and 10.3%, and in the same position).

Adjusting for your argument the answers are as follows:

Men:

  19.0%   The compensation and benefits offered
  17.6%   The languages, frameworks, and other technologies I'd be working with
  15.7%   Opportunities for professional development
Women:

  16.8%.  Opportunities for professional development
  16.4%   The languages, frameworks, and other technologies I'd be working with
  14.1%.  The compensation and benefits offered
Note the large, almost 2% gap for women between pay and the previous priority, and the large, almost 2% gap for men between pay and the next priority.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#103

Post by knightofmars »

pianoben wrote: post #3
arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #2

I love the part about SO developer story: 84% either do not use it or have never even heard about it (which basically shows its failure) yet insights team tries to interpret it as 40% actually using it. Based only on this point, I wonder how extremely biased their conclusions are overall.

Quite a few of those stats seem suspect. For example, I personally find it hard to believe that "80% of professional developers" prize Javascript above all other languages. Seems unlikely based on my network (which of course is a representative sample of all developers).

Where did you get the prized by 80% from?

I only see the "Most Popular Technologies" and it has JavaScript at 71% and it's not "prized":

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#most-popular-...

As far as it's popularity is concerned. It's not surprising the in least. If you have anything to do with web development you're going to have to use JavaScript. Making it "popular" out of necessity but not "prized".

Re: Developer Survey Results

#104

Post by sweezyjeezy »

shaki-dora wrote: post #84
conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

Nice bit of victim blaming... “If you want to be paid the same as a man, maybe you should not have made ‘not being groped’ [aka company culture] your top priority!”

It's not clear to me that these are the same at all - if (emphasis) it is true that women do not value pay as much as men, and for this reason they apply for roles which lead them to be payed less - who exactly is the victim here? Are we not trusting women to know what jobs will make them happiest?

Re: Developer Survey Results

#105

Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

> Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

How can you be labeled sexist if you point out a simple fact?

Re: Developer Survey Results

#106

Post by megaman22 »

antirez wrote: post #12

Cool to see Redis to be in top position. For what is worth, Redis confessed to love developers, so it is definitely a reciprocal feeling. Btw surprised to see "contributing to OSS" at ~50%. Looks like an incredibly high number (cit. Trump), so would be awesome to see this question more fine grained next time. This may be an indirect measure of all the work that goes into OSS to make it sustainable. I would like to se…

Technically, almost anybody that has a GitHub account could claim to be contributing to OSS. I've got a dozen or more projects that almost no one has ever looked at besides myself, but they are public, and they do have an MIT license slapped on top of them, so I could torture myself into claiming that they are open source projects.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#107

Post by SiempreViernes »

dingo_bat wrote: post #46
adgasf wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if the numbers of various minorities are significantly lower in our industry than the overall average, then perhaps it indicates a hostile environment that we can work on.

It can indicate a lot of things, don't know why you would reach that particular conclusion.

Well, maybe adgasf saw some off the accounts[0] by minorities about how they perceive tech as a hostile environment and feel forced to leave because of the harassment?

Certainly, if you remember that minorities are reporting harassment in tech companies as a reason they leave, the demographic under representation of these must at least partially encode the scale of the problem.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/18/women-goo...

Re: Developer Survey Results

#108

Post by elcapitan »

suprfnk wrote: post #93
arvinsim wrote: post #60

Whhy is the salary for F# developers high?

On that note: Anyone know of any good F# learning resources (preferably books/text) for an experienced C# developer who has only done a little bit of functional programming (Haskell, Clojure) here and there?

"F# Deep Dives" is very practical and should work for beginners: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1617291323

Re: Developer Survey Results

#109

Post by SiempreViernes »

hdkrgr wrote: post #29
bruxis wrote: post #25

Quick question: How are ~14% of all respondents from India, but 4.1% categorized as Middle Eastern in the Race and Ethnicity breakdown? This is just one example of a strange anomaly in the data.

I guess most will identify as 'South Asian'. Also you can see that the race/ethnicity question only has ~55k responses out of 100k respondents in general. To many of us it feels like a very US-specific question that we are glad to skip. Racial identity is just not part of our lives. I might identify as as European, but certainly not as 'White or of European descent'

Yeah, it is a bit weird to use US specific notions of race outside of the US itself. How many Europeans in Europe feel that of "European descent" is an accurate description?

Re: Developer Survey Results

#110

Post by yAnonymous »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #105
conradfr wrote: post #61

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

> Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist. How can you be labeled sexist if you point out a simple fact?

See this thread, for example.
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