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Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

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post #90

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Founders of big tech companies deal with politics on a level you can’t imagine.

Asin actual, literal politics. As in, appearing before Congress to convince them why what's good for your company is good for America. And/or sending campaign contributions their way to help with the convincing. But there's a lot of fun to be had between now and then.

Don’t get carried away, most startups never rise to that level, even fairly big ones.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

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I’ve always understood that one of the most important pieces of the PM role is to act as a sort of negotiator between design/development and all other stakeholders. Customers and everybody else in the business all want their own things, and all have their own priorities. The good PMs that I’ve known have kept those people happy, managed their expectations well, and mostly shielded design/development from their demand…

35 is a good age as it increases the likelihood that the PM will have parenting experience which provides the benefit of improving expectation mgmt, negotiation, and communication skills to a non-technical audience.

Or the likelihood of developing these skills as a member of successful teams.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#103
Eng is a common transfer to PM and many of your skills will carry over. I (personally) think age will hurt you but rather help because you have experience and have seen a bunch of failures which you can learn to avoid (this goes well during interviews).

Suggest looking at the rpm program at Facebook or APM (I think this is the name at google) which is for people interested in learning product management but without PM experience.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#104

Eng is a common transfer to PM and many of your skills will carry over. I (personally) think age will hurt you but rather help because you have experience and have seen a bunch of failures which you can learn to avoid (this goes well during interviews). Suggest looking at the rpm program at Facebook or APM (I think this is the name at google) which is for people interested in learning product management but without P…

APM role at Google (started by Marrisa Mayer?) is only for fresh MS CS grads. Anyone knows more details please let me know if I'm mistaken.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always understood that one of the most important pieces of the PM role is to act as a sort of negotiator between design/development and all other stakeholders. Customers and everybody else in the business all want their own things, and all have their own priorities. The good PMs that I’ve known have kept those people happy, managed their expectations well, and mostly shielded design/development from their demand…

35 is a good age as it increases the likelihood that the PM will have parenting experience which provides the benefit of improving expectation mgmt, negotiation, and communication skills to a non-technical audience.

Now that I think about it, a lot of the people I most enjoy working with in the office are parents, and the kind of parents who are obviously really good parents.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#106
You’re right to think that 35 is pretty young. But it’s not too young to get into Product Management. Or any other career change for that matter.

There are many different types of PMs. Some companies want a more technical PM. Maybe a company selling a technical product to a technical audience would find your engineering experience extremely valuable.

My default career advice to everyone is to figure out where your experience is rare. If other PMs have 5-10 years of experience as a PM, you’re the rare gal or guy with years of actual coding and experience. That group will have a ton of depth to help on your PM gaps. But you’ll be the only one who can do what you do.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#107
post #89

I feel many comments here are confusing "Product" Management with "Project" Management. Many describing being a "people person" which isn't (in my eyes) a needed trait for a product manager, but is for a project manager. There are obviously social aspects of being a product manager, but much of it has to do with relaying what's in your head moreso than trying to manage people day-to-day. To me, what matters for the O…

I do think Product management is more people facing than project management. You can't really build a product without talking with the customer or talking to other departments especially sales/marketing/customer service. They know what the users want, what the bounce rate is, what metrics the company is lagging at.

>> You can't really build a product without talking with the customer or talking to other departments especially sales/marketing/customer service

A friend of mine works at a large enterprise company on a multimillion dollar software project. Their dev team has never spoken to a customer or product manager (there is a PM team, they've just never spoken with the devs). It also takes them a long time to ship software. It's very odd.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#108
post #72

It makes me sad to hear people thinking they are too old for something at 35. Unless you make it big financially there is a good chance you will have another 30 years ahead of you. That means you are just at the first third of your career. Do what you think you want to do. I thought about getting an MBA or PhD at that age and thought I was too old. Now I am 51 and thinking how easy and useful it would have been to do…

I took at as OP thought they were too young for the role, since PMs tend to be older.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#109

Surely your age will assist you here (I’m 35 too). Unlike software development which is typically a “young mans game” due to the constant need to learn the latest thing (I know, sweeping generalisation), Product Management requires significant past experience of products. As a developer, I’m sure you’ve worked on many successful and non-successful products, and have a good insight as to what went well and not. I thin…

If you know it's a sweeping generalization, perhaps don't make it? Software development is maybe a young person's (surely not just for men, right?) game at startups, but that's because startups don't pay as well and have narrow technical needs. Big companies hire young people, too, because they have a lot of grunt work to do and recent college grads are cheap. However, an older developer who's managed her career well is valuable to most organizations.

Re: Ask HN: Move to product management at 35?

#110

My $0.02, having been a PM for many years: Read Cracking the PM Interview [1] (for an overview of the job, not the actual interview tips) and The Lean Startup [2] (for general philosophy). 35 is a great age for a PM, especially since PM's often start elsewhere -- maturity is a plus here. I'd say there are 3 main ways into it -- as an engineer, who starts to do PM-type stuff on a team where there's no PM. As a designe…

Other book recommendations for preparing to be a PM:

- Decode & Conquer

- Inspired (Marty Cagan)

- Radical Focus (about OKRs)

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