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Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#101

Post by mike-cardwell »

sublemonic wrote: post #100
mike-cardwell wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're downvoting because you disagree, at least explain why. The lack of folder sharing and delegation would both be show stoppers if my organisation was considering moving to GMail. This new auto-filtering mechanism wouldn't even make it on to the interesting features list, let alone the desirable or required lists.

I think HNers generally disagree with your statement: This new feature GMail have announced is trivial and unimportant compared to many other features they could release. The gmail team is not known for adding trivial or unimportant features. They probably deserve more credit than you are giving them. Also, I'm not sure how delegation and folder sharing are related to email. Perhaps you could elaborate?

We have to disagree on the importance of this latest feature then.

Folder sharing: User A gives read or read/write access on one of their email folders to user B. I don't think I've ever used a mail service which doesn't support this simple long standing feature of email.

Delegation: User A delegates permission to user B to organise events in their Calendar, or to send mail on their behalf.

Delegation is very useful for people with secretaries or PAs. Folder sharing is very useful for people working in teams or all kinds.

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#102

Post by willscott »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #97
mike-cardwell wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GMail didn't support delegation or folder sharing last time I checked. Those are important requirements for many organisations. This new feature GMail have announced is trivial and unimportant compared to many other features they could release.

If you're downvoting because you disagree, at least explain why. The lack of folder sharing and delegation would both be show stoppers if my organisation was considering moving to GMail. This new auto-filtering mechanism wouldn't even make it on to the interesting features list, let alone the desirable or required lists.

Gmail does have delegation for apps users. It looks like it's only available for 'premiere' accounts, but that makes some sense when you think about who's likely to make use of it.

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=m...

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#103

Post by mike-cardwell »

willscott wrote: post #102
mike-cardwell wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're downvoting because you disagree, at least explain why. The lack of folder sharing and delegation would both be show stoppers if my organisation was considering moving to GMail. This new auto-filtering mechanism wouldn't even make it on to the interesting features list, let alone the desirable or required lists.

Gmail does have delegation for apps users. It looks like it's only available for 'premiere' accounts, but that makes some sense when you think about who's likely to make use of it. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=m...

That's good to know.

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#104

Post by camiller »

qeorge wrote: post #84
jlouis wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Gmail has much more than 5% of the market. It may be that Outlook is installed on 35-45% of all computers, but nobody currently has numbers for the use of the application. If I can get away with it, I prefer forwarding mails so I don't have to deal with Outlook. And so should all sane companies: Outlook waste their time.

1) The parent's link indicated that this is real usage data, from Campaign Monitor. CM and similar use tracking pixels, and can detect what client is being used to open the email. 2) I use Outlook all the time, as do many people I work with. Gmail is great for webmail, but its not a replacement for Outlook, especially if you rely heavily on contacts, calendar, tasks, or search.

So Campaign Monitor is a email marketing tool. Gmail excels at segregating unsolicited marketing into a folder called "spam". So when I don't open those emails it makes Google look like a smaller proportion than those email clients that don't filter so well. Also, by default gmail does not open graphics (like tracking pixels) when opening a message.

--just say'n

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#105

Post by ruff »

aresant wrote: post #36

This is a BRILLIANT feature that I hope stimulates somebody on HN to build around Outlook. GMAIL hovers around 5% of email client usage. Outlook still owns somewhere between 35 - 43%. MSFT was moving in this direction and had a decent solution out a few years back called Email Prioritizer. Of course, they tossed before it made it out of labs. Xobni is too complex IMO, what's so compelling about Google's system is how…

Don't know if it still does it but ClearContext use to provide this exact solution for Outlook. It prioritized your Inbox based people and e-mails that you haven't responded to yet.

http://www.clearcontext.com/user_guide/contacts.html

The product seems to have chased off into GTD-land, but the sort of the Inbox was really useful.

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#106

Post by xiongchiamiov »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #101
sublemonic wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think HNers generally disagree with your statement: This new feature GMail have announced is trivial and unimportant compared to many other features they could release. The gmail team is not known for adding trivial or unimportant features. They probably deserve more credit than you are giving them. Also, I'm not sure how delegation and folder sharing are related to email. Perhaps you could elaborate?

We have to disagree on the importance of this latest feature then. Folder sharing: User A gives read or read/write access on one of their email folders to user B. I don't think I've ever used a mail service which doesn't support this simple long standing feature of email. Delegation: User A delegates permission to user B to organise events in their Calendar, or to send mail on their behalf. Delegation is very useful…

I have absolutely no desire to give anyone else access to my email, and I'd hazard a guess that this is the case for many other users as well. I do want the ability to send mail as another person (I have some 10-odd email accounts), but Gmail already handles that.

While this new feature may not be useful for corporate users, that doesn't mean it's not useful for users in general.

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#107

Post by xiongchiamiov »

davidedicillo wrote: post #27
ALee wrote: post #12

#28 of YC's Ideas They'd Like to Fund "Fixing email overload. A lot of people, including me, feel they get too much email. A solution would find a ready market. But the best solution may not be anything as obvious as a new mail reader. Related problem: Using your inbox as a to-do list. The solution is probably to acknowledge this rather than prevent it."

I was actually already using my inbox as todo list with the Multiple Inboxes lab feature, using labels "Need Reply" or "To Do" for the emails and use filters to address them to the multiple inboxes.

Similar here. Second inbox is mailing lists, third is "other crap" - newsletters, email from Facebook, etc. - the kind of thing that I want to have available, but don't want to see most of the time.

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#108

Post by mike-cardwell »

xiongchiamiov wrote: post #106
mike-cardwell wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to disagree on the importance of this latest feature then. Folder sharing: User A gives read or read/write access on one of their email folders to user B. I don't think I've ever used a mail service which doesn't support this simple long standing feature of email. Delegation: User A delegates permission to user B to organise events in their Calendar, or to send mail on their behalf. Delegation is very useful…

I have absolutely no desire to give anyone else access to my email, and I'd hazard a guess that this is the case for many other users as well. I do want the ability to send mail as another person (I have some 10-odd email accounts), but Gmail already handles that. While this new feature may not be useful for corporate users, that doesn't mean it's not useful for users in general.

I have absolutely no desire to send mail as another person, and I'd hazard a guess that this is the case for many other users as well. I do want the ability so share mail folders with other people, and GMail doesn't handle that.

While this new feature may be useful for some users, that doesn't mean it's useful for users in general.

Re: Email overload? Try Priority Inbox

#109

Post by vecter »

aresant wrote: post #36

This is a BRILLIANT feature that I hope stimulates somebody on HN to build around Outlook. GMAIL hovers around 5% of email client usage. Outlook still owns somewhere between 35 - 43%. MSFT was moving in this direction and had a decent solution out a few years back called Email Prioritizer. Of course, they tossed before it made it out of labs. Xobni is too complex IMO, what's so compelling about Google's system is how…

Xobni doesn't claim to solve the mailbox triage problem. That's a really hard problem.
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