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I'm taking 30x500 from Amy Hoy and Alex Hillman. They are in patio11's orbit. It's an expensive class and would only be worth it if you are really willing to commit. They have some other less expensive products (Year of Hustle, Just F$&*% Ship) that you can use to dip your toe into their methodology. Look up their blog "Stacking the Bricks". Not affiliated in any way, just a fan and appreciative customer.
As someone who has looked at the course also, I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the class. I'm quite sure it's all good stuff, but like all things only really hear about the success stories. A genuine appraisal of the coaching, course materials and time involvement would be really, really interesting.
The Business of SaaS
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#102 > Businesses and investors love SaaS because the economics
> of SaaS are impossibly attractive relative to selling
> software licenses.
I would be careful and not over-generalize. The statement above is opposite of what many late stage investors think of SaaS companies. Their gross margins tend to be horrible. Some are basically in the business of being an intermediary mailbox for transferring money from their customers to AWS.Sure, if you can charge, say $1 for processing one Kb of data, you'll love being in the business of selling SaaS subscriptions. But it's not always the case: for many SaaS companies selling more and more subscriptions means constantly re-writing (AKA "scaling") their codebase, maintaining a large and expensive ops team and dealing with ever-growing AWS bill. Some SaaS companies only have ~10% of their R&D allocated to evolving the product, the rest are struggling keeping it running and it's not cheap.
Compare that to selling a recurring subscription to a downloadable license file. Stripe is a great fit for SaaS, but TWLO will have to face a much tougher reality than MSFT had.
SaaS can be awesome, or can be hell, take it from a co-founder of Mailgun.com
Stock market seems to agree: the 1st wave of software explosion produced lots of highly valued tech giants: MSFT, ORCL, etc. The current crop of public SaaS companies pale in comparison, the new giants don't sell SaaS, they sell ads.
P.S. The billing model is very loosely related to how a software is delivered. Look at Adobe who're happily selling monthly billing plans for good old photoshop.
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#104> Businesses and investors love SaaS because the economics > of SaaS are impossibly attractive relative to selling > software licenses. I would be careful and not over-generalize. The statement above is opposite of what many late stage investors think of SaaS companies. Their gross margins tend to be horrible. Some are basically in the business of being an intermediary mailbox for transferring money from their custom…
But yes, I recently read that games make more money in general than even movies, books and music and most of them don't have subscriptions but one time payments.
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#105patio11 refers to subscription based software as a "financialization" of it, but I'd argue it runs deeper: it turns software from a single, large "opt-in" transaction, to a small "opt-in" transaction followed by a series of "opt-out" decision points for customers, putting more of the burden on the customer to disengage vs the business to sell the customer on the latest version every couple of months. This runs into s…
The people that don't show up to the gym are what make the business profitable.
In the US almost everything is membership-based, so a paying member who doesn't show up is free money until they cancel.
But there are other places where it's more flexible, for example my gym has monthly passes, dailies, and 10x or 20x passes. The 20x is the best deal if you miss a few days a month due to travel.
None of this has any recurring billing.
I'm sure even that gym has a bump in monthlies in January and May/June but with their setup it seems much more in their interest to have everyone actually coming to work out, else they might just not bother to buy that next monthly.
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Hi, Course author here. Thanks a lot for posting this (and for signing up). But, it's worth noting that if you buy the course on my platform at https://buildasaasappwithflask.com/ there are additional perks you won't get on Udemy. For example I'm in the process of adding a new bonus section to the course that goes over building RESTful APIs with Flask. I've already released the source code and 1 video for it on my ow…
Found the course very interesting and it's something I intend to build upon. However, I've done similar stuff with rails since it has more batteries included and found it easier of course. However, this comes to mind: https://elsyms.com/the-art-of-over-engineering-your-side-pro... This was followed by a discussion on HN which a lot of people enjoy over-engineering side projects because they use it as a sandbox to lea…
In your case, I think you're best off learning each of those things from separate courses / learning material. Mobile app development and Kubernetes are simply not related at all.
This Flask course focuses on building a classic web app using server side templates. It happens to use Postgres and Redis while also performing background jobs with Celery.
To me that's the bare minimum for building a web app with Ruby or Python. Web app + DB + background worker + sprinkles of JS on the front-end. We use Docker Compose to get it all running because the alternative is rolling your own Python environment from scratch which is IMO more time consuming than using Docker.
That's also a good article you linked and I agree with pretty much everything they wrote.
I think it's more important to ship your app than try to incorporate every buzz word for the sake of doing it. I'll admit, sometimes learning new things is highly motivating but at the end of the day, the tech wins REALLY need to be there for it to make sense.
For example I choose not to use Kubernetes in production because 1 server deploys with Docker Compose is very easy to reason about and it works well, even for decently high traffic. I treat ops like I do code refactoring. It's important to get something working, and if you ever get to the point where it becomes a problem, then refactor.
The interesting thing there with ops is, if you have a SAAS app running with 800 customers and 50 of them are on concurrently, do you really need a self healing auto scaling Kubernetes cluster on multiple regions?
Probably not. Those 800 customers might be generating you $49 / month each or $39,200 per month in revenue and something like that could be running on a single $40-80 / month server with a Flask set up (or even Rails for that matter).
In my mind, I'd rather spend my time figuring out how to grow from 800 customers to 8,000 and even then you could probably vertically scale your server, but at this point you're rolling in so much cash that it's all irrelevant. You could just pay someone $100,000 to fix your scaling problems over the course of a few months (without outages) and continue growing your business.
Basically, front load your time in making your product really cool and successful, then invest the time (or money) into scaling when you need it.
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Can I ask what you are looking for in terms of stories? Sector? I'm a B2B guy - so I never build anything until I have ~1M~2M/year in soft commitments. Then as I build it, I try to get the soft commitments to sign-off on early purchases (at a discount). Usually - where it gets hard - is customer support if the "B"s you are selling into have a lot of employees that need a lot of handholding. That is a 24x7 hell that y…
Not the op, but any chance I could ping you for some advice on this soft commitments stage and your approach? edit: My details are also in my bio if you want to shoot me an email.
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As someone who has looked at the course also, I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the class. I'm quite sure it's all good stuff, but like all things only really hear about the success stories. A genuine appraisal of the coaching, course materials and time involvement would be really, really interesting.
I’m keeping a journal as I go thru the class that I plan to publish at some point. I’ve just gotten to some meaty parts and I can say I’m impressed, but you’re right, I’m not a success story (yet). We will see!
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#109Nice article, but the most interesting question remains unanswered: how/where to find SaaS business ideas?
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#110Do software products like adobe photoshop for $20/month count as SaaS, or merely a subscription based software product?
From a business perspective, I would say Adobe is squarely in the SaaS business. Creative Cloud is mostly light touch product with an few large companies and agencies requiring high touch.
I've had the $10/mo Photoshop+Lightroom bundle forever. I almost never use them, and when I do it's definitely not for pro-level stuff, but I find it worth the price to have these tools available when I need them.
Adobe, on the other hand, really really wants me to get into Behance, watch this or that instructional video, take a survey, read their blog, etc.
But if I got that engaged with their ecosystem, I'd surely end up with support tickets and so on, but I doubt I'd give them any more money. I get that it's worth it to them on average, it just feels weird sometimes as I'm a dream customer at $10/mo.