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Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by KirinDave »

Mefis wrote: post #86
pasabagi wrote: post #82

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I doubt it. A credit score is a good implementation of your material value to capitalism. If you have a bad credit score, you are punished exactly to the extent it makes sense from a statistical perspective. 'Social credit scores' muddy this system with a bunch of basically peripheral values: filial piety, political opinions, and so on. It undermines the basic efficiency of a system that only cares about you insofar…

A social credi score will be more accurate in predicting credit worthiness. It has economic value.

There is no such thing and I submit to you that there can be no such thing without adopting of a more feudal model of society.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by Spooky23 »

rco8786 wrote: post #48
Spooky23 wrote: post #34

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People who spend a grand on a phone tend to buy other things.

...but the product is free WiFi.

Carrier signals suck in many parts of NYC. There’s a value for on street WiFi.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

gerdesj wrote: post #96
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #92

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>> Push back? Will do when things really do go wrong. You don't know us ... mate. Problem is, if things "really" do go wrong, it will be too late to push back.

Bear in mind that this is a land that has executed kings and been a short lived Republic, run up a fairly large Empire and died back down and is still a constitutional monarchy. We've done a few other things here as well. It's never too late. We're odd.

It is also a country were police officers used the names and identities of people who died as infants to infiltrate activist groups, often having relationships with female members to gain their trust:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/undercover-policing-in...

You don't need to wait too long, I'd say.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by around_here »

grkvlt wrote: post #51
HenryBemis wrote: post #27

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I have an issue, when e.g. Argos is using my phone's wifi antenna (even when I'm not connected to their network) to track where do I walk within their stores. I do accept the fact that any cell signal provider can also track my movements since I am using their antennas. I do perfectly understand that the STATE (law, justice, etc.) can also track my movements, and does so, using due process (I hope). But a private cor…

OK, would you have a problem with Argos using CCTV to track you via ML that identifies different individuals and records their path through the store? What about CCTV that is displayed on a monitor and a minimum wage drone views, and records people's paths through the store manually? The outcome is the same in all three cases - Argos has data about how individuals are using their property, and can use that data for w…

The "don't go there" answers only hold true if there are actual alternatives.

It's a shit argument, and collusion to monitor and track customers is pretty much universal.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by icc97 »

dozzie wrote: post #97
andrewaylett wrote: post #88

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No, they claimed to be German, and _in that capacity_ responded to their parent.

Not really. bayerrr said to icc97: > As a German, you could not be more wrong [...] bayerrr claimed that icc97 was German (this is how this grammatical construction works).

There is an inferred "Speaking as a German", so the author is a letting me know they're German.

But also as you pointed out it makes no sense for them to assume I'm German, but it does make sense if they are German. So I'd just assume the version that makes sense.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by icc97 »

gerdesj wrote: post #91
icc97 wrote: post #73

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Damn, there goes another good theory. Perhaps I should change my example to the English getting sunburnt lying on Spanish beaches.

I think you'll find that is more likely Scots rather than English. The Big Yin famously described the effect in his Aussie tours. To be fair, us southerners can also burn as well (but I personally don't.) What you might consider "English" is two countries and four nations. It's complicated. For safety, I'd refer to the two large islands off the NW of mainland Europe as "Britain and Ireland" (in short.) It's complicat…

I'm English and I've been sunburnt lots, I seem literally incapable of pre-planning against it. Doesn't need to be Spanish beeches though. I'm thinking of the English style tourist who wants his egg and chips wherever he is.

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by icc97 »

eeereerews wrote: post #83
mhb wrote: post #47

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Like boiling a frog In 2002 Dr. Victor H. Hutchison, Professor Emeritus of Zoology at the University of Oklahoma, with a research interest in thermal relations of amphibians, said that "The legend is entirely incorrect!" He described how a critical thermal maximum for many frog species has been determined by contemporary research experiments: as the water is heated by about 2 °F, or 1.1 °C, per minute, the frog becom…

Must we have someone point this out whenever someone says "boiling a frog"? The use of the phrase does not constitute an factual assertion about whether you can, in fact, boil a frog.

Yes I'd put it something like a floppy disk for save. It might not be true but it gets the point across.

Never-the-less I respect a good nitpick and I didn't know the article so for me it's a welcome reply

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by gaius »

Spearchucker wrote: post #58
goblins wrote: post #50

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Current quality for the majority of CCTV is probably not good enough for facial. May be gait recognition is more feasible.

There's an interesting article in last month's Economist. They show resolution that let's an operator recognise a face a mile up the road. That was in Islington.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by dozzie »

icc97 wrote: post #105
dozzie wrote: post #97

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Not really. bayerrr said to icc97: > As a German, you could not be more wrong [...] bayerrr claimed that icc97 was German (this is how this grammatical construction works).

There is an inferred "Speaking as a German", so the author is a letting me know they're German. But also as you pointed out it makes no sense for them to assume I'm German, but it does make sense if they are German. So I'd just assume the version that makes sense.

> There is an inferred "Speaking as a German", so the author is a letting me know they're German.

Yes, there is the "speaking" part inferred, but the grammar still does not work like that. As a supposedly educated English native speaker, you should know better.

If I said: "As an idiot, you're wrong", I could not possibly claim that I called me an idiot. Why suddenly the subject would change in the very same sentence structure?

Re: Stop replacing London’s phone boxes with corporate surveillance

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Post by yesenadam »

dozzie wrote: post #109
icc97 wrote: post #105

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There is an inferred "Speaking as a German", so the author is a letting me know they're German. But also as you pointed out it makes no sense for them to assume I'm German, but it does make sense if they are German. So I'd just assume the version that makes sense.

> There is an inferred "Speaking as a German", so the author is a letting me know they're German. Yes, there is the "speaking" part inferred, but the grammar still does not work like that. As a supposedly educated English native speaker, you should know better. If I said: "As an idiot, you're wrong", I could not possibly claim that I called me an idiot. Why suddenly the subject would change in the very same sentence…

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As a lover of respectful exchanges on here, there's something slightly objectionable about your tone in this thread. As a rather tiresome pedant, you should stop hassling and lecturing people over nothing.

Yes, the original construction "As a German" was kinda awkward, but everyone seems to know what they meant, so why go on about it. Not sure what your problem is. As an intruder to this thread, it's not really my business anyway. As a participant, it's more your domain. As a reader, half of what you say is pretty confusing to me. As an HN-ite, I'm sure you can do better in the future.

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