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16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

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Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#101

That post looks so immature.. who the f * cares who created an app at the end of the day ? If you think it's the fact that she's young that made the app famous, then create a false young persona and the same with your own app instead. Only stupid people would care about who built it instead of the actual quality of the app. I've lost time even reading even the title of this post. #firstworldproblems

You've been posting a lot of uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments, which violates the guidelines. Could you please (re-)read them and stop?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#103
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see where you're coming from but I think the point still stands. Making a fraud the poster child for a cause is worse than having no poster child at all. In general I'm always very wary of "teenage prodigies" stories, they're very marketable but I think they're bad for everybody involved: on one hand the "prodigy" is on exhibit like some kind of circus freak and at this age is probably ill-prepared to deal with the…

Lying is lying irrespective of gender. No way a 16yo kid can design start-to-end an app, learn how to code, learn how to build the UI, etc. Unless by "mentor" (as seen on the dialogue-screesnhot) means "X and Y designed this and that for me so all I did was put my name in the front page).

I’d love to hear your reasoning for why a 16 year old person couldn’t do those things.

Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#105

Why is this flagged? How can we request unflagging? Is it all about censorship of harsh truths?

Members may flag submissions due to the resulting discussion on HN as much as the submission itself: the sets of topics that are interesting and topics that can be constructively discusses on HN are not identical. Both are important to keep HN interesting. FWIW, it's not flagged at the time I'm writing this comment.

Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#107
I would like thank this 'namc' for putting in the journalistic-legwork to get us all closer to the truth. And also letting us draw our own conclusions.

I think what's upsetting to me is not really this case in particular, but that I couldn't imagine any reputable tech journalism organization being able or willing to publish an expose like this. So cheers to all you HN citizen journalist digging into the commits and asset names to give us an idea what's behind the Press Release.

Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#108
I'm getting the vibe this person is a complete fraud. It seems likely that somebody is steering her on what to say, how to manage the project, and market herself as the visionary behind it.

Reading through the comments "However her aptitude was pretty poor... I've mentored many kids in my life.

At some point she was unable to even reason out how to convert a string to upper case.

She said... What does this have to do with programming.... I want to build apps.

After that she didn't talk to me much and I didn't bother either."

These aren't really the people we should be lauding or giving a free ticket to MIT. From what I'm reading, she's probably a future successful corporate bullshit artist, but this is not a role model for anyone or a future visionary.

I think it is good things like this get attention - young people should know they're not going to get ahead by stealing credit from others or falsifying their talents.

Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#109
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one jumped on me too. My history would quite the same and especially when I was younger. I would never ask under anything traceable back to me publicly. And I was always searching much more then actively asking, I asked online twice my whole life and got maybe one answer total. I would also keep stuff on my own disk until I thought it is progressed enough etc. I was too insecure to show progress, because progres…

"when I was younger" is a risky point of view: i.e. when I was younger I wrote a cycling manager game that was really a very very modded gorilla.bas, and there was no internet to use, only the inline help and that was it. that mindset of figuring things out by incremental change and debugging thoroughly sticks, and even if now I can say I'm used to stack overflow and the like I do see programmer that grew up in a ful…

Searching for answers does not leave trace. Only posting under own name does. And there are so many answers to beginners questions out there, that you rarely need to ask new one (and it is likely to be closed as duplicate or obvious homework).

The idea that every beginner programers must leave public track of beginners questions is fairly ridiculous.

Re: 16 year old app developer: Plagiarist or Prodigy?

#110
Whatever the truth is, this is a terrible write-up. I'm surprised it's getting such traction because the "evidence" against her is pretty flimsy or non-existent.

> I used a spare iPhone to get the app, and then used https://github.com/BishopFox/bfdecrypt and https://github.com/BishopFox/bfinject to decrypt the app .

>Here are a few things I found :

>No, she did not code the app as she claims. In her defense, she has help from a few people, but I would call that bluff, given that help construed of over ~~50%~~ 90% of git commits.

What? You can't get the git history by decrypting an app binary.

The post shows a screenshot of a private git repo's commit history but no explanation of how it was obtained.

The 16-year old girl claims (https://i.imgur.com/TQzc6TW.png) that the other author has a high number of commits because he was committing code on her behalf because she didn't have a Github subscription for private repos. Fishy because that's a weird workflow, but not beyond a reasonable doubt.

>There is no storyboard, lol. For any iOS dev who is just starting out, making an application without storyboards is just unbelievable.

Maybe this is lost on me because I'm not an iOS developer, but is the author just accusing the girl of poor technique? That seems to support the case that she's an amateur developer.

>So we did a grep for `com` on strings in the decrypted app, you will notice that on line 929 there is a mention of library which does not exist, and so I’m inclined to believe, this is who probably the author of original code is.

A non-existent library created the app? What is this evidence of?

>Upon reaching out to the the dev in question, he went to the extent of saying that he “allowed her” to call the app hers, given certain “circumstances”. Fair enough, we don’t see him bagging MIT scholarships, or all the accolades the girl is receiving for her app. Let’s pass on some appreciation to the so-called-mentor?

Why are we not seeing proof that this conversation occurred?

>Such kind of people give Women in Code a really, really bad name, because ~~sweetie~~, it takes tonnes of hardwork, cutting through competition, persistent dealing with sexism and lot of patience to make place for yourself in this male-dominant coveted industry.

Addressing another developer as "sweetie" is deeply unprofessional. This whole sentence was dripping with obnoxious arrogance. This is the "investigator" we're taking at their word?

In case the author changes the post, this is the version that I'm commenting on: https://archive.fo/9Jw4R

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