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Baltimore Cops Kept Toy Guns to Plant Just in Case They Shot an Unarmed Person

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Just like it’s a sweeping generalization to call ISIS members terrorists, right? Most of them don’t partake in such ops.

So apparently our police force is equivalent to ISIS. I guess it would be better if gangs ruled the streets. At least they don't do as many bad things as the cops do.

It's not either or. The Marines have much better trigger discipline that many cops that make the headlines lately.

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What goes on in Chicago and its gangs goes far beyond the police and the indiscretions that go on there. Case in point: http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2016/Chic... Drill rap, the music of Chicago's gangs, is ultra violent and serves as a method of calling out other crews and taunting them into a response. Thanks to Youtube, Soundcloud, and social media the spread of this music is now easier than e…

Is that "Whataboutism?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Er no. It's not. I'm not saying police conduct in Chicago isn't an issue. I'm saying that the issues of inner city Chicago are much larger than just police conduct. To properly understand the issue you need to consider all the angles.

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I'm glad the cops in Toronto are paid extremely well. A Constable can earn $90k. There's less likelihood of a cop going to such extents if they don't need to. Of course that's not the only reason, but is likely part of the solution.

Police in big cities get paid well to. Its the FOP union. Cops in my mid sized city make over $100K after 10 years. That's with full health and pension.

Re: Baltimore Cops Kept Toy Guns to Plant Just in Case They Shot an Unarmed Person

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Is there a US city where cops who murder unarmed black men are convicted with any sort of regularity?

How many cities in the US have police who "murder unarmed black men" regularly to begin with? Of course if that number is small, then the number of cities who regularly convict them will be small. You can't take the small number of cities that regularly convict as evidence of a problem.

Well-documented cases of cops murdering unarmed black men and not being convicted have occurred all over the United States. This isn't a Baltimore problem, it's a US problem.

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Although this is a topic that is easy to get angry about, I can't honestly trust anything that I read from theroot.com since I have seen many articles that are just racially charged and completely biased. Just a few days ago, they posted something about the ousting of London Breed here in SF ( https://www.theroot.com/london-breed-had-a-clean-shot-at-bec... ). The problem with that article, is that it blames the ousti…

someone above posted a link to the baltimore sun that just presents the evidence. Let me know what you think of it: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-gun...

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Our US society is sick beyond belief.

The problem goes way beyond the US borders, and is a clear sign of corruption among the ruling class. When a cop is acquitted for murdering some innocent thanks to some intervention form above, he could become in the future a pawn of a private army for whoever was helping him/her from above. Suppose you're a high profile politician who needs some dirty job to be done, who would you trust more, some thugs recruited ar…

Nope this is you guys. I'm pretty relaxed up here regarding our police.

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Because this is a shit article pushing a political agenda with absurd rhetoric pandering to a niche that happens to be prevalent on HN? After reading the last paragraph, I went straight for the flag button; "It is not just Baltimore cops. It is cops. They will shoot you in the face in front of your infant daughter. They will choke you to sleep for selling cigarettes. They will shoot you in the back for walking away.…

Not sure about any niche audience here (haven't hung around that long), but that last paragraph got all my red flags up as well. Writers like this need a body cam of their own. Oh wait, that's right, there is one already - called the internet... Which may prove that proof of rotten behavior is not enough to solve the problem when the root cause is confusion as to what is appropriate behavior in the first place.

But all of those things in the last paragraph happened, and I believe all of them were outside of Baltimore.

Cigarettes was NYC, shot in the back was SC I believe. I don't remember where the person was shot in front of his daughter. I think that was the school cafeteria worker who was shot in his car. None of the police were convicted except the SC one, and the whole incident was caught on video.

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Should not police departments have something like internal investigations department to catch things like these before public have to be involved?

In this particular case, it appears that some of the wrongdoing involved a lieutenant in Internal Affairs. So yes, they do have internal investigations departments.

See Day 2 of [0].

[0] http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-gun...

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The author is citing real events. When some cops are corrupt, does it matter that the rest might be decent? An individual police officer represents the entire force. They wear the colours and the badge as a representative of the whole establishment. Would you call the police if you knew there were such troubling corruption issues? It would definitely make me think twice - you just don't know which officer will turn u…

> When some of them are corrupt, does it matter that the rest might be decent? That argument can be used to attack virtually any minority.

A minority? I don't understand where that argument comes from. A minority generally doesn't hold power - police hold far reaching powers. Minorities normally do not choose to be part of a minority.

From wikipedia:

"A police force is a constituted body of persons empowered by a state to enforce the law, protect property, and limit civil disorder"

If there are a corrupt few breaking the law, the body of persons cannot be said to be performing its duty.

It's worth reading about police accountability: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_accountability

Generally the focus of reform is to hold the entire agency/force accountable.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author is citing real events. When some cops are corrupt, does it matter that the rest might be decent? An individual police officer represents the entire force. They wear the colours and the badge as a representative of the whole establishment. Would you call the police if you knew there were such troubling corruption issues? It would definitely make me think twice - you just don't know which officer will turn u…

> When some cops are corrupt, does it matter that the rest might be decent? Yes. Of course it matters.

And what's your argument?
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