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Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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I'm betting Nicaragua has similar problems. I remember addresses that were like, "From the third roundabout, take the first exit toward the lake, turn left at Oliveo funeral home, take the second exit, fourth house on the left (it's blue)." No street names or numbers, and you have to know what "third roundabout" means to even get started (there are three major roudnabouts in Managua, the third one is the one closes t…

> It's a single word in Nicaraguan Spanish What is the word?

Al lago. Two words, I guess.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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The solution he's proposing is good because GPS is an accurate model for finding an exact location on Earth. Prior to GPS humans came up with models for describing specific locations by abstracting land mass into regions and sub regions and so on until we finally arrive at a person's house number or box. Why did not Africa? This is a question I ask myself but I guess it doesn't matter in the end as we should all soon be moving to GPS in the future anyway. This would be a difficult jump for Africa to make but it might actually be easier starting with a blank slate that they have. Imagine trying to move the USA to a GPS based system? Unlike Canada our zip codes alone are not accurate enough to find a precise mailbox location. We still require street number and street name. If we made the move to GPS, our legacy systems would still need to be supported, whereas Africa never had these legacy systems in the first place.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #93

I'm betting Nicaragua has similar problems. I remember addresses that were like, "From the third roundabout, take the first exit toward the lake, turn left at Oliveo funeral home, take the second exit, fourth house on the left (it's blue)." No street names or numbers, and you have to know what "third roundabout" means to even get started (there are three major roudnabouts in Managua, the third one is the one closes t…

> "toward the lake" means "north"

Fascinating! Lake Nicaragua (which is what I'd naively assume a person in Nicaragua would mean by "The Lake") is in the south of the country, so that's really unintuitive.

Edit: OH, I see this is in Managua, which lies on the southern border of a different lake. I guess it's like New Yorkers using "downtown" to mean "south" (or rather, southwest)

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #14

Doesn't what 3 words already solve this problem, and seems to have commercial momentum? http://what3words.com

W3W is proprietary, has commercial aims (you can purchase short-codes), cannot be used offline, is completely dependent on the provider, and a simple transposition of words will result in somewhere completely different.

Simply using lat/lng or one of these deterministic systems (geohash, plus.codes, etc) is a far superior option for something to be adopted globally.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #93

I'm betting Nicaragua has similar problems. I remember addresses that were like, "From the third roundabout, take the first exit toward the lake, turn left at Oliveo funeral home, take the second exit, fourth house on the left (it's blue)." No street names or numbers, and you have to know what "third roundabout" means to even get started (there are three major roudnabouts in Managua, the third one is the one closes t…

> "toward the lake" means "north" Fascinating! Lake Nicaragua (which is what I'd naively assume a person in Nicaragua would mean by "The Lake") is in the south of the country, so that's really unintuitive. Edit: OH, I see this is in Managua, which lies on the southern border of a different lake. I guess it's like New Yorkers using "downtown" to mean "south" (or rather, southwest)

Right, only applicable in Managua! But Managua is the largest population centre, so that covers a large percentage of the locals.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #25
post #14

Doesn't what 3 words already solve this problem, and seems to have commercial momentum? http://what3words.com

From previous conversations on HN, wasn't the problem that to use What3Words, you have to use their online proprietary system? and thus won't work offline and make you dependent on their service? Plus Code seems to just be encoded Gps coordinates which seems far easier to integrate.

What3words works offline in a free (as in beer) app. They want to monetise by charging the courier companies who save money in this precise case.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #104
post #14

Doesn't what 3 words already solve this problem, and seems to have commercial momentum? http://what3words.com

W3W is proprietary, has commercial aims (you can purchase short-codes), cannot be used offline, is completely dependent on the provider, and a simple transposition of words will result in somewhere completely different. Simply using lat/lng or one of these deterministic systems (geohash, plus.codes, etc) is a far superior option for something to be adopted globally.

They actually refunded everyone who bought a "one word", and are focusing on the (free to use) 3 word addresses. And it works offline too (always has).

What3words is a deterministic hash of the gps coords.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #98
post #7

It's funny, even in the Netherlands we feel a (tiny, tiny) bit of this: all foreign websites have address entry systems that always ask for a state/province (and even faithfully produce a list of all our provinces). We indeed have them but locals ignore them entirely, city, street, number and postal code are all we, and domestic companies, use.

Even in the US stuff like that happens. I recently refinanced, and the lender kept getting hung up on how they needed to "contact my county" for verification. Well, in Connecticut a "county" is nothing more than a name on a map or an organizational method. It's not an actual government entity, there's no one to contact.

Heh. Yeah in New England (and I assume a lot of the rest of the US), counties are pretty vestigial. I think Massachusetts still has limited county governments in some cases but mostly they're just a legacy organizational scheme. On the other hand, when I lived in Louisiana, the parishes were an important level of government.

Re: Online shopping in Africa doesn’t work because of shipping and billing forms

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post #102

The solution he's proposing is good because GPS is an accurate model for finding an exact location on Earth. Prior to GPS humans came up with models for describing specific locations by abstracting land mass into regions and sub regions and so on until we finally arrive at a person's house number or box. Why did not Africa? This is a question I ask myself but I guess it doesn't matter in the end as we should all soon…

You still need to narrow things to a specific mailbox/unit number in any case. GPS coordinates by themselves wouldn't always be sufficient for deliveries,
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