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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by mikeash »

BoorishBears wrote: post #94
mikeash wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it would be possible in anything like a reasonable amount of time. Non-Tesla fast chargers have huge gaps for a cross-country run. You’d have to spend days waiting for 6kW commercial chargers or 240V RV plugs charging you at 25-35MPH.

DC fast chargers aren't as common but charge the Bolt at supercharger-like speeds if you have the option

That doesn’t really address what I’m saying. The ability to use a DC fast charger doesn’t help if there aren’t any to use. Last I looked, there were no cross-country routes available using non-Tesla fast chargers. You’d need to cross large gaps on 240V charging alone.

Edit: just to show what I'm talking about, here's what plugshare.com shows for CCS chargers in the middle of the US:

http://mikeash.com/tmp/screenshot_F67FD9DD-D048-43EC-8DDF-9E...

That gap in the Nebraska is 336 miles long. Utah to Colorado is likely to be quite challenging with the mountains. East of St. Louis is another tough area.

I think you could do the trip entirely on DC chargers if you took some of the legs really slow to extend range.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by ythn »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #57
kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

Even stranger to me: I'm French and we're world-class haters. Like, culturally conditioned to be dismissive of success, always seeing something negative when people achieve big things (they must have been crooked in some shape or form along the way, they exploited others, etc). There used to be a time where American people were different in that regard. Celebrating success, entrepreneurs, daring mavericks, etc. Now a…

> Like, culturally conditioned to be dismissive of success, always seeing something negative when people achieve big things

Sounds like HN: "Check out my cool new web app/hardware gizmo!" Army of critics arrive to poop on it

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by indescions_2018 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

$TSLA will sell a lot of cars this year, irrevocably altering the EV game. Price target $350 by Jan 2019.

But it pales in comparison to the watershed moment SpaceX and the entire spaceflight community will have. There is a real possibility for 28 launches, including two Falcon Heavy's. NASA TESS on track to discover an explosion in habitable zone exoplanets. Vector, Electron, TechShot and other private space data leading a push for commercial apps in space, including pharma, stem cells and materials foundries. And there is decent chance of someone landing on the moon for the first time in 45 years ;)

Will we Go Back to the Moon in 2018?

https://audioboom.com/posts/6573043-dec-29-2017-will-we-go-b...

69TH International Astronautical Congress Bremen 1-5 OCT 2018

https://www.iac2018.org/

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by TeMPOraL »

falcolas wrote: post #54
kumarvvr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are people that say he's all talk I really wish there is stronger support for him against these sorts of people. How can he be all talk when we see his rockets going up and coming back down.

Why does Elon Musk need popular support? He's not a politician who relies on popular support for his very job. He's not an actor who relies on popular support to bring money to his films. He's a CEO. All the support he needs is to deliver on his promises. From my exceptionally limited point of view, he's at about 35% there: Space X: 100% (Reusable, self-landing rockets. Fuck yeah!) Tesla: 40% (Prototype in decent sha…

He doesn't technically need it to run companies day to day, but he needs it to realize his visions. Two main reasons:

- More popular support means his visions resonate, and more people will start pursuing them too.

- More popular support means the market will be more receptive towards those visions.

Note that Musk doesn't care if it's SpaceX or Tesla that are the market leaders long-term. He cares that we go to Mars and get off fossil fuels in transportation, however that happens. Hence e.g. opening up Tesla patents.

RE your % score, I'd give a different breakdown, based on what are Elon's actual goals:

SpaceX: 40% (reusable, self-landing first stage done; Falcon Heavy yet to launch, BFR in the works)

Tesla: 80% (their latest cars might have problems, but they successfully cracked the car market and started a wave of electrification that's unlikely to stop now; Chinese companies alone will carry it forward)

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by nightski »

Strom wrote: post #38
andrepd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well first of all they're not his rockets. The engineers and scientists did it, he supplies the money, arguably a meritless in ck prison. Second, there are many promises he still hasn't delivered on: SpaceX targets not met, Tesla still running at a massive loss, Hyperloop being doomed to failure, etc etc. I can definitely see why people say he is mostly talk, even though admittedly he has achieved some successes.

> Well first of all they're not his rockets. Am I understanding this correctly, that the criticism of Elon Musk being all talk is because he didn't personally perform all the work in achievements like Falcon 9 and Model S?

He is a brilliant business man and gave all of the engineers at spacex the opportunity and freedom to achieve great things. For that he should be commended - we need more business leaders like him in this world! I think at the end of the day though in idolizing Musk you are taking away from the hard work and brilliance of all the other employees at his companies. America has this iron man style obsession with one guy changing the world by himself. But at the end of the day we achieve greatness by working together as a team.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by InTheArena »

BoorishBears wrote: post #92
InTheArena wrote: post #50

I drove the Model 3 last week. It’s a properly good car in it’s own right - It reminded me of the MOdel 3 from BMS in how it handles, of course the performance curve is totally different. The rethinking of the dashboard is perfect for the cell phone age. It’s Apple Good (back when Apple was good). The performance curve - the instant power at any point is addicting. The seats were comfortable, and the trunk space was…

The Bolt has DC fast charging, the Volt is a PHEV and would make it from LA to NY with 5 minute stops.

Yep, sorry I meant Bolt above.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by TeMPOraL »

nemo44x wrote: post #79
VeejayRampay wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even stranger to me: I'm French and we're world-class haters. Like, culturally conditioned to be dismissive of success, always seeing something negative when people achieve big things (they must have been crooked in some shape or form along the way, they exploited others, etc). There used to be a time where American people were different in that regard. Celebrating success, entrepreneurs, daring mavericks, etc. Now a…

Postmodernism has been en vogue in the USA since the late 1950's. You only need to look to American literature since then and you'll notice much of what is considered the "most important" fiction is Postmodern. Which means it is cynical, ironic and skeptical of all the things you associate with the French. This is not a fringe philosophical concept bound to popular novel's either. Look to the background of villains i…

> Look to the background of villains in mainstream super hero movies

This. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one to notice that villains in popular movies/TV shows increasingly present reasonable positions (even if crooked methods), while it's the protagonists who seem to live by simplistic, populistic, feelings-based morality.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by lmm »

icelancer wrote: post #67
andrepd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well first of all they're not his rockets. The engineers and scientists did it, he supplies the money, arguably a meritless in ck prison. Second, there are many promises he still hasn't delivered on: SpaceX targets not met, Tesla still running at a massive loss, Hyperloop being doomed to failure, etc etc. I can definitely see why people say he is mostly talk, even though admittedly he has achieved some successes.

Neil Armstrong didn't build the rockets or the shuttle so I guess he's also a bum.

Armstrong made his way up meritocratically on the strength of his piloting skills, to fighter pilot then carrier pilot then test pilot then astronaut. Many reckoned they wouldn't've been able to pull Gemini 8 out of the spin he got it out of, or successfully find a landing spot for Apollo 11 in the boulder field they descended on.

Maybe Musk really is as skilled as all that. Or maybe he was lucky enough to make a lot of money once (with x.com) and hire good people. It's hard to tell since so few people ever get to try having that much money to play with.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

#109

Post by TeMPOraL »

nightski wrote: post #105
Strom wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well first of all they're not his rockets. Am I understanding this correctly, that the criticism of Elon Musk being all talk is because he didn't personally perform all the work in achievements like Falcon 9 and Model S?

He is a brilliant business man and gave all of the engineers at spacex the opportunity and freedom to achieve great things. For that he should be commended - we need more business leaders like him in this world! I think at the end of the day though in idolizing Musk you are taking away from the hard work and brilliance of all the other employees at his companies. America has this iron man style obsession with one guy…

I think most Elon fanbois implicitly understand that each rocket SpaceX launches involves blood, sweat and tears of hundreds of skilled people.

Ultimately, focusing on a leader is a shorthand used in everything. We talk about famous generals, and not about their lieutenants. We talk about presidents and kings, omitting the low-level administrative staff that actually does the work and keeps everything from falling apart. Often it's a bad generalization leading to bad conclusions (e.g. most presidents have little influence on the direction of their countries), but I think it's fair in case of Elon Musk, since it's his strong vision that defines the direction of SpaceX and Tesla.

Consider this: if SpaceX went public and Elon decided to step down, the company would lose most of its fanbase for very simple reason - it would most likely turn into a regular company and stop being just the vehicle to get humanity to settle Mars.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

#110

Post by falcolas »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #104
falcolas wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Elon Musk need popular support? He's not a politician who relies on popular support for his very job. He's not an actor who relies on popular support to bring money to his films. He's a CEO. All the support he needs is to deliver on his promises. From my exceptionally limited point of view, he's at about 35% there: Space X: 100% (Reusable, self-landing rockets. Fuck yeah!) Tesla: 40% (Prototype in decent sha…

He doesn't technically need it to run companies day to day, but he needs it to realize his visions. Two main reasons: - More popular support means his visions resonate, and more people will start pursuing them too. - More popular support means the market will be more receptive towards those visions. Note that Musk doesn't care if it's SpaceX or Tesla that are the market leaders long-term. He cares that we go to Mars…

Fair enough on your popular support points.

WRT Tesla: The company has started a revolution, but to all intents and purposes it feels like its falling behind. The Model 3 was supposed to be in full production already, but it's not. It's also not profitable, which is a major problem for Tesla (and Musk by extension) in the long run.

Not to mention, all of the pre-orders for Model 3's that aren't fulfilled in a timely manner are going to hurt the population's opinions of Elon Musk - and rightly so.

As far as following a vision: history is full of failed visionaries, and vision alone is not enough to propel mankind forward. Execution is.

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