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Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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watty wrote: post #98
bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Do you have any more proof? You keep saying it "IS" Goo Create but based off of what? These screenshots are similar, sure... but far from proof. It looks like you have experience in the industry, it'd be helpful if you laid out a bit more explanation because clearly you have more info.

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Post by jackhack »

veli_joza wrote: post #48
cheeaun wrote: post #30

omg took me some time to find the actual product page: https://aws.amazon.com/sumerian/

Welcome to the future! Throught the magic of Virtual Reality, we can now transform your boring 2D slides into perspective-mapped boring 2D slides [1]! Incredible! /s [1] https://d1.awsstatic.com/product-marketing/Sumerian/sumerian...

Welcome to the future, indeed! Where we do simple things in the most complicated way possible.

No more boring screen wipe, dissolve, or fade transitions from one slide to another... Now we have tumbling 3D transitions that induce vomiting to show our bullet-points and walls-of-text.

Steve Jobs was right when he said Powerpoint slides were for people who don't know what they're doing.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by JulianMorrison »

pault wrote: post #92
JulianMorrison wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the hype about running games virtualized in AWS, no it is not unclear. Amazon wants a game engine native to their cloud, rather than a PC engine running on virtualized hardware, so people can start thinking really big about VR or games, rather than "one machine at a time" models.

I think this is one of those things that nobody expects that will be obvious in hindsight. Offloading rendering and game logic/AI to a massively parallel server network will allow MMOGs to break new ground in world complexity and persistence, and sell subscriptions to more people that can't afford dedicated gaming machines.

Also, they can sell to "casual" gamers. Rent a character and just go. Don't pay for more than you use.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by jackhack »

gbrits wrote: post #59

A bit at a tangent, but I was recently looking for software (open source or commercial) that could help me develop a 'interior design / planning' editor. I.e.: given a specific area (outside dimensions), allow to drag walls, doors, etc to create a floorplan, and given that, allow more detailed planning like kitchen, bathroom appliances, etc. Ideally, this would result in a 3d-model which could be imported in a tool l…

Everything old is new again:

We did that exact thing 30 years ago: Auto-Graph Computer Designing Systems' "Kitchen & Bath design". Draw walls on grid paper. Choose placement of items. View in 3d. It was used at home improvement stores to preview remodeling efforts for the consumer. We had a package dedicated to wire shelving, too called ClosetDesign that let you drag objects from a 2D palette onto a 3d surface. It would produce a materials list and even print drilling templates for the support brackets.

And again 20 years ago with Virtus Walkthrough. A visualization tool for architects.

Both companies are long gone. Now you can pick up simple architectural design software on a CD at officemax for $5. There's probably a free package online.

Sumerian is feeling like the same thing "but on the cloud." Maybe I shouldn't knock it. Entire careers were built taking manual processes and "putting them on the computer" so people could do bad work faster.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by simias »

pault wrote: post #92
JulianMorrison wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the hype about running games virtualized in AWS, no it is not unclear. Amazon wants a game engine native to their cloud, rather than a PC engine running on virtualized hardware, so people can start thinking really big about VR or games, rather than "one machine at a time" models.

I think this is one of those things that nobody expects that will be obvious in hindsight. Offloading rendering and game logic/AI to a massively parallel server network will allow MMOGs to break new ground in world complexity and persistence, and sell subscriptions to more people that can't afford dedicated gaming machines.

I think it would be doable for most current MMORPGS which aren't very timing sensitive so even if you have a couple hundred ms of lag it could still be playable (especially if the game is designed around this limitation).

VR however is one application where network lag would clearly be totally unacceptable. Can you imagine having even 50ms of lag while turning your head in a game? It seems like out of all the applications of "cloud gaming" this would be the least suitable one. It's not even about the game feeling laggy and floaty, it's about not getting sick while playing it.

I guess they could render a huge FoV for every eye and let the client do the actual tracking to mask some of the latency, but I'm not sure how you can make any translation work that way.

I'm not saying it's impossible and it'll never happen but if that's really the objective it seems they're doing it the wrong way around. Shouldn't they first develop "cloud gaming" infrastructure and then move on to the particular niche of VR?

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Post by srikz »

FreeHugs wrote: post #14

Back in the day, I really loved Poser on the Mac. Is there a good web-based or free linux alternative these days? Something you can use to create realistic humans?

Or the fork of MakeHuman from its creator [0] - http://manuelbastioni.com/

[0]: I may be remembering it wrong.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by madflame991 »

bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

I'm one of the original devs of Create and yes, they are the same except for the name/logo.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by modeless »

gbrits wrote: post #59

A bit at a tangent, but I was recently looking for software (open source or commercial) that could help me develop a 'interior design / planning' editor. I.e.: given a specific area (outside dimensions), allow to drag walls, doors, etc to create a floorplan, and given that, allow more detailed planning like kitchen, bathroom appliances, etc. Ideally, this would result in a 3d-model which could be imported in a tool l…

SketchUp might be the closest thing to what you're looking for.

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Post by dlgeek »

gbrits wrote: post #59

A bit at a tangent, but I was recently looking for software (open source or commercial) that could help me develop a 'interior design / planning' editor. I.e.: given a specific area (outside dimensions), allow to drag walls, doors, etc to create a floorplan, and given that, allow more detailed planning like kitchen, bathroom appliances, etc. Ideally, this would result in a 3d-model which could be imported in a tool l…

Try sweet home 3d. It's free and open source and designed specially for home design cad (really great for figuring out furniture layouts).

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Post by Crespyl »

gbrits wrote: post #59

A bit at a tangent, but I was recently looking for software (open source or commercial) that could help me develop a 'interior design / planning' editor. I.e.: given a specific area (outside dimensions), allow to drag walls, doors, etc to create a floorplan, and given that, allow more detailed planning like kitchen, bathroom appliances, etc. Ideally, this would result in a 3d-model which could be imported in a tool l…

As far as I know, Sketchup is still available and is pretty good for this kind of work.
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