guifi.net is already doing it in Catalonia and other parts of Europe:
To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not convinced that such local monopolies change the equation here. Access to the internet might be a right, but is unlimited access to Netflix a right? A monopoly on essentials must be regulated, because there's no market elasticity (and the extremists often deny even that). A monopoly on entertainment, though? Even a monopoly is constrained in how much in can charge for such a thing before customers just walk aw…
I don't know if internet access is a "right", but it is pretty important in a modern society because internet access equals information access. It is hard to be an informed, productive participant in a modern society without information. Therefore unlimited access to Google search is a better example than Netflix.
And I would argue it isn't unlimited. It's limited to the rate the ISP offers. If I'm sold a line that offers up to 100mbps/sec then it shouldn't matter from what source I'm requesting to receive those 100mbps/sec from. Now if the source can't provide them at that rate that's on the source, but the ISP ought not be throttling them.
Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is FTC not FCC.
Fair enough. If the ISPs don't what to be liable for the content that traverses their network then they ought to be neutral to content and not prioritize traffic based on it's content (or source, destination, protocol, etc). But if they are inspecting the packets then they should have some liability for what they are delivering and the content on their network. The ISPs want it both ways like someone else mentioned,…
How about they don't inspect any content, but I download the media player provided by my ISP and it doesn't contribute to my data cap, but netflix does?
Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#104On Last mile in copper or fiber networks becomes easily a market failure due to large capital cost. In many European countries (Finland for example) the last mile is divided by law into two services cable providers and internet provider. It can be the same, but other ISP's can get into business by making deal with the customer and renting the network. There are regulations for the maximum price of the rent.
Israel implemented this long ago. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Israel
> Every ADSL or cable Internet user has to pay separately to the infrastructure provider and to the ISP, due to competition laws.
When I was there in 2007, I needed to struggle with getting PPTP and L2TP going on Linux. It was quite interesting! Now of course that's done by routers and you have wifi.
Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#105Not wanting to tout my own horn but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15760556 I posted this exact thing as an answer to the developments yesterday.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. You probably think of things like software patents, that were rejected in the EU. But that was a very long fight! I hope we don't even have to _start_ the net neutrality fight in the EU, by winning it outside.
>Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. Countries with free and universal healthcare: 117. Countries with free (but not universal) healthcare: 39. Countries with universal (but not free) healthcare: 2. Countries who copied the USA in having neither free nor universal healthcare: 42. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_univers... Countries who voted in favour of the United N…
I live in the US, and agree with most of your point, but regarding military spending, a significant portion of that is due to occupation of foreign countries and external military bases. The US is basically the last country paying to maintain an empire.
Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#108I'm in favor of network neutrality myself. My main criticism is that it doesn't go far enough , in that it only requires neutrality from network providers to content providers but not vice versa or like-to-like. But I do have a serious question for other supporters. How can so many of those who are usually anti-regulatory "free market" extremists also be so strongly in favor of this regulation? * This is their theory…
>How can so many of those who are usually anti-regulatory "free market" extremists also be so strongly in favor of this regulation? Because in the US, network providers (at least the last mile providers; those charging end consumers) are local monopolies. Most people in the US have one legit high speed internet option, a few have two. There is little competition and the barriers to entry for new comers is very high (…
It would be wasteful to duplicate the last mile fifteen times. Are there any municipalities that create/manage this infrastructure themselves? Having local, public ownership of the lines and contracting out the maintenance seems like the most efficient option. It seems that most IT monopolies lobby hard against this.
Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Most countries like to copy the most successful country on Earth. Countries with free and universal healthcare: 117. Countries with free (but not universal) healthcare: 39. Countries with universal (but not free) healthcare: 2. Countries who copied the USA in having neither free nor universal healthcare: 42. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_univers... Countries who voted in favour of the United N…
My choice of words may not be good, but other countries (esp. allies) copied MANY more things than things they didn't copy, esp. with topics related to NN... Copyright law, patents, free speech, and internet itself... and the fight against software patents was long and difficult.
yeah, I was being a bit flippant... You are definitely right that those in other countries with anti-NN agenda's will use this to advance their cause.
Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if internet access is a "right", but it is pretty important in a modern society because internet access equals information access. It is hard to be an informed, productive participant in a modern society without information. Therefore unlimited access to Google search is a better example than Netflix.
And I would argue it isn't unlimited. It's limited to the rate the ISP offers. If I'm sold a line that offers up to 100mbps/sec then it shouldn't matter from what source I'm requesting to receive those 100mbps/sec from. Now if the source can't provide them at that rate that's on the source, but the ISP ought not be throttling them.
Unlimited access meaning I can access the website as often as I want without having to pay more money.