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Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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post #9

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Let's just start selling the role outright. It would be more efficient, most likely lead to the same result, and avoiding the grating, bullshit horserace coverage for a year would make everyone's live better.

This is a funny joke, but empirically not true as of this last election. Hillary massively out spent Trump.

I don't see why you're being downvoted, it's true.

There are some counter-arguments to make, of course.

One of them is that this model is true in general, but not in every single case. Rather, it may be more useful to say that media attention for your story wins elections, and typically money is a good proxy in terms of the purchasing power to get your story out there. Whether that's via pure advertising, or financing community organisers, or the best PR, money is a solid proxy. And Trump was exceptional in that he had celebrity status and an incendiary message that didn't need much money to get attention, combined with an exceptional time of social media that magnifies incendiary messages very cheaply and buries nuance as nuance doesn't go viral.

It'll remain to be seen if this will become the new model, or whether money will continue to be the best predictor of election outcomes. I think the model will change, but the latter statement will remain true.

Of course, by vote-outcomes indeed her campaign (and you may say, her money) did win her more votes. So even this election could be viewed as business-as-usual, the Democrats and its leader got the most votes.

Finally, there's lots of speculation about spending that aren't part of the official figures. We now have evidence that this is the case, with Russia spending in the order of millions on a divisive campaign, mostly against Hillary and in favour of her opponents (both Republican and Democrat. A bit like how Bush at one point ran a campaign for independents/greens, as they were most likely to steal away Democratic votes). With the level of support by Trump for cutting taxes for multinationals and the richest individuals in the country, as well as support from Russia, it wouldn't be surprising if they supported him outside of the official spending figures, either. There is evidence it happened, we're just unsure of the magnitude.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#102
post #8

Classic Streisand effect. I wouldn't have heard of this had Disney not tried to "punish" the person who brought it to light.

Well, not really. Reading between lines, I'm assuming they're discouraging any future bad press articles from LA Times and all other news outlets, not necessarily suppressing a single article. Whether it's effective in the long run will be hard to determine as we can't measure future unpublished articles we never hear about.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#103
post #90

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You are correct. This information would be useful, but surely we can't limit it to just one other country and one campaign?

Unless you have some amazing new information, one country and one campaign is about as bold as it seems reasonable to be.

I hear there might be Paradise on the horizon...

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#104

Private company does not invite random media outlet to movie screening. How is this news?

The private company in question depends on a squeaky clean image. So, finding evidence of them interacting with corrupt politicians is news. Then it turns out that they are so made that they throw a tantrum that makes them look even worse.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#105
post #49

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$2B in free media attention helped a bit, I'd imagine. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-t...

It does. But that free media attention did not come out of Trump's campaign chest. So porfirium's argument stands.

Smart people know how to leverage spending. Dumb people just throw stupid amount of money at everything.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#106

Aren't all video game review sites like this? All AAA games get inflated scores to not offend the studios.

The main difference is that gamers are much better connected than movie goers I think. This sort of behavior might not have as many repercussions for movie studios as it does for gaming studios.

This behavior has near zero repercussions for gaming studios. Despite companies like Ubisoft blacklisting and badmouthing critics who gave honest opinions of arguably poor game design choices, these companies have never been richer

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#107
post #50

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> Most money offered gets to be president. But even that doesn't work. In 2016 for the US presidency, Hillary Clinton's campaign had $790M USD versus Donald Trump's $408M USD. She had double the money 'to buy the presidency' and she still lost. https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

> I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election

Right now Russian companies are only alleged to have spent a few million dollars, so it's not clear that the investigation will show any material impact on the spending ratios.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#108
post #5

> Disney CEO Bob Iger is said to have ordered the retaliatory measure against the LA Times, and is also thought to be considering a 2020 presidential bid, which augurs poorly for his approach to the free press. Wow, I hadn't heard this was a possibility until now. I sure am looking forward to seeing which of the many {m/b}illionaires ends up winning the presidency in 2020! How about we just cut out the middlemen and…

> Most money offered gets to be president. But even that doesn't work. In 2016 for the US presidency, Hillary Clinton's campaign had $790M USD versus Donald Trump's $408M USD. She had double the money 'to buy the presidency' and she still lost. https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16

$408M USD, but how many rubles?

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

#109

Aren't all video game review sites like this? All AAA games get inflated scores to not offend the studios.

Giantbomb doesn't, as far as I can tell. Jeff Gerstmann started the site shortly after he was let go from GameSpot (rumored) for posting a low-score review of a game which was advertising heavily on their platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann#Termination_fro...

They openly talked about it when CBSi (also owners of Gamespot) bought Giant Bomb back in... 2012? I forget what year, but it was pretty open about his Kane and Lynch review got him fired.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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"Anaheim has made a number of seemingly inexplicable decisions that offered millions in direct subsidy to Disney: for example, the city spent $108.2m to build Disneyland's new parking garage (where visitors pay between $20 and $35/day to park), and charges the company $1/year to lease it. The garage was financed with bonds that will pay out $1.1B in interest, and when they are paid off, the company will own the garage."

Wow. That's infuriating. The people of Anaheim should be irate. A total of $1.2 billion essentially donated to Disney over however many years those bonds are for. I wonder if anyone violated any laws to make that deal happen...

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