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Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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I’ll take one App Store over many anyday if it severely lessons the chance of getting malware.

Would you also take one news source over many if it lessens the chance of seeing "fake news"?

> Would you also take one news source over many if it lessens the chance of seeing "fake news"?

Yes. This is why, every morning, I first get my news from trusted sources.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Oh for goodness sake, go and get yourself a GNU Stallmanphone or whatever along with the other five or six owners and leave the rest of the world alone. What the heck did Apple ever do to you?

Hilariously enough, your comment only makes sense if you assume that everyone else is as pathetically and irrationally emotionally invested in their consumer choices as you clearly are. It's entirely possible to complain about one of the downsides of apple's approach without thinking being an extremist on the position of consumer control of their computing devices. For example, I use Ubuntu instead of eg Windows; som…

> your comment only makes sense if you assume that everyone else is as pathetically and irrationally emotionally invested in their consumer choices as you clearly are...this part is just embarrassing

Your comment is stronger without this.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Perhaps if the box had been blue or green, it would not have been as worrying. A black box conjures up images of darkness etc. But probably when this was brought up during the project at Google it was dismissed as "bikeshedding". Or in this case, perhaps, "boxshedding".

> if the box had been blue or green, it would not have been as worrying

Did you read the article? The “black box” isn’t a physical object. It’s figurative [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box_(disambiguation)

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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I agree with some of your critique, but I also think you are giving Apple a little too much credit. Yes you can compile and install your own software, but AFAIK, you have to pay a yearly fee for the privilege of doing so. This isn't nearly as open as Android phones, where it is a simple matter of checking a box. I definitely agree with you that Google isn't giving away the code for philanthropic reasons, though. I ca…

> AFAIK, you have to pay a yearly fee for the privilege of doing so. That hasn't been the case for a number of years. As long as you have a Mac, you can download Xcode for free, compile an app, and sync it over to your iOS device.

Needing a Mac is an extra expense in itself. I fail to see much difference.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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It's rather sad that Google needs to pay Android makers a fee for installing it's apps, given how Google gives away source code that makes Android exist in the first place. On the contrary, Apple's ecosystem is completely closed, app cut fairly high and non-negotiable at 30% and app store rejections arbitrary at best and blatantly anti competitive at worst. In the name of user centricity, their platform places arbitr…

The Android source code isn't Google's to "give away". It is written and maintained by a huge ecosystem of hardware and software vendors and independent developers.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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>My dream device would be iPhone HW with Android software It's called the Pixel 2.

Nah, sorry to break it for you, but the Qualcomm chip is nowhere close to A11.

Yeah, sorry to break this to you, but that A11 isn't fairing too well against Android phones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpD3XCp49o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G669OgskM0

Let's see how that A11 is on battery efficiency:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSjUq_kvSM

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Can you name another OS that has had as many forks as Android?

Unix ;-)

The Chinese Android forks probably outnumber all of the Unix forks. Additionally, every version of Android, built an OEM, is a fork of Android.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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> On the contrary, Apple's ecosystem is completely closed Their App Store is a monopoly, but I have friends who use iPhones and use Google's Inbox, Google's search app, Chrome browser, Google Maps and Waze etc and don't use the built-in defaults. I guess they like the hardware. So maybe I'm not interpreting "completely closed" correctly. > ... In the name of user centricity, their platform places arbitrary restrictio…

I'm one of those people who gladly use an iPhone with mostly Google apps (namely Chrome, Gmail and Maps). My little experience with Android has always been negative. The only real annoyance with iOS is you can't set Chrome nor Maps as default applications.

    > The only real annoyance with
    > iOS is you can't set Chrome nor
    > Maps as default applications.
Or indeed Gmail. Apple Fanboi that I am, I'd love to see them hit with an anti-competition suit in the UK that forced them to publish APIs to allow other apps to replace the core suite.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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> On the contrary, Apple's ecosystem is completely closed Their App Store is a monopoly, but I have friends who use iPhones and use Google's Inbox, Google's search app, Chrome browser, Google Maps and Waze etc and don't use the built-in defaults. I guess they like the hardware. So maybe I'm not interpreting "completely closed" correctly. > ... In the name of user centricity, their platform places arbitrary restrictio…

I mostly agree with you except > Their App Store is a monopoly That word gets thrown around too liberally. Does anyone expect the Apple App Store to be able to serve apps to the Android, Windows, or Linux ecosystems? Arguing that "Apple's App Store is a monopoly" is like arguing that "JCPenny is a monopoly of all goods sold at JCPenny stores". If you want to sell goods in a store, you must abide by the stipulations o…

You have it backwards. Their App Store has a monopoly on distribution of apps for iPhones. I can't publish my app somewhere else, which means I have to get Apple's permission for anything I want to publish (to non jail-broken phones).

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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> If that's the case, it doesn't seem anticompetitive, since everyone is charged the same fees no matter what. Google and Amazon just don't want to pay it. Apple doesn't pay them. Anyone who wants to sell media on iOS has to compete with iTunes while subject to a 30% price handicap. If that's not anticompetitive I don't know what is.

I look at in in the context of physical goods. Grocery stores processs their private label meats. The grocery store also sells name brand meats but those brands have to pay for shelf space. The meat is exactly the same, just processed by two different entities - one who owns the store and one that doesn’t.

The situation you describe is a little different because people aren't locked in to a supermarket. If you don't want to pay the premium, you can go to a deli, another supermarket or have it delivered by Amazon. If you don't want to pay Apple a premium, you don't have a choice. You either do it or ditch iOS and lose all your purchases on the platform.
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