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You can run a ZNC bouncer for a quarter of the price of one Slack account.
I still lose history if my bouncer goes offline.
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IRC?
IRC is centralised. You can't send message from server X to server Y. XMPP and Matrix can.
"[...] People seem to hate email for the same reasons they once loved it. Email's underlying triumph, the quality that made it revolutionary, was that you could instantly deliver a written message to someone even if they weren't there to receive it. [...] Email is neutral, meaning that anyone can email anyone else with an email address. If you have a person's email address, your message will be delivered no matter wh…
> Email is a set of protocol and thus it _will_ outlive any centalised, closed, walled garden. What stops email going the way of XMPP?
Compare this to email, where every user expects their email client to be able to email people on different providers. If, say, GMail suddenly stopped being usable to email people without a GMail address, all users would think it was broken, not just geeks.
The trend to centralize email is a more subtle one. For instance, make email work better when emailing someone at the same domain (also because it's technically easier to handle): I have seen people trained by GMail to send huge files as attachments because it works when sending them to other GMail users. Also, spam filtering: a small email provider sending email to a large one has a higher chance of being flagged as a spammer, and has to support all requisite technologies (SPF, DKIM, SSL if you don't want the email to be marked as insecure, not being on a blacklist or residential IP, etc.).
Long sorry short, I'd have trouble imagining that a major email provider could realistically stop supporting "federation". Maybe it could happen if major providers unite to create a walled garden between them and to cut off everyone else (unrealistic), or if one provider's market share increased to near-monopoly (somewhat unlikely for now because of the long tail of institutions, companies, universities, who still want to run their own). I think the main threat to email is non-federated systems that are more convenient to use on mobile (e.g., WhatsApp and others), or social networks in general. (This may sound far-fetched, but in France I do see many companies who advertise support on Twitter and Facebook but cannot be reached by email.)
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Companies giving up on open standards in favor of their own walled gardens does not really provide a meaningful commentary on the open standards themselves. XMPP itself is a bit of a mess, but it's a standard with a lot of adoption, which has its own value.
A lot of adoption? How many users does XMPP have? I'm glad that XMPP is open, but as a standard, it's useless to me if none of my friends are using services that support it.
Maybe in US this holds, but things may be different in different places. I'm a Chinese living in the bay area. I think people here treat E-mails as part of their daily life probably because most of them began to use it before the mobile internet is a thing. On the contrary, in China where the majority internet users are mobile-savvy, WeChat is the new email. Actually E-mails are only for official communications there…
Messaging apps like WeChat and Slack are really too ephemeral for discussion and documentation of serious business matters, in my experience.
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> Email is a set of protocol and thus it _will_ outlive any centalised, closed, walled garden. What stops email going the way of XMPP?
What happened to XMPP? Not trying to be snarky, I still use it. Is there an issue I should be aware of?
I guess if xmpp had been around at the time icq kicked things off things might have been different.
This is tangential, but needs to be stated: What I've learned from email newletters is that Microsoft Outlook needs to die a swift and horrible death. There is absolutely no good reason why we should have to create email newsletters that require tables for layout.
I'm surprised we haven't seen the mIRC's of email yet (or maybe there have but that just didn't work?). mIRC was a popular client for IRC on Windows. It extended IRC with features such as color and formatting in your messages, which was beyond the protocol. A feature like that worked just fine because the color codes were mostly invisible to those who weren't using a client that supported them. In this way, mIRC and…