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Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by zuck9 »

yawaramin wrote: post #87
tambourine_man wrote: post #81

I have zero experience with this, but I imagine working for three major competitors in such a short time can lead to some complicated situations regarding industrial secrets. Compilers (specially open source) may be a stretch, but Tesla AI and Google AI? Can a contract clause protect one company when you're working for the other on the exact same field? Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about, just curious.

Non-compete clauses are illegal in California. That's one of the big reasons for the tech boom there.

So, how does that work with, non-California companies, like Microsoft? Former MS employee joins FB/Google. Now can MS sue them?

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by tambourine_man »

yawaramin wrote: post #87
tambourine_man wrote: post #81

I have zero experience with this, but I imagine working for three major competitors in such a short time can lead to some complicated situations regarding industrial secrets. Compilers (specially open source) may be a stretch, but Tesla AI and Google AI? Can a contract clause protect one company when you're working for the other on the exact same field? Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about, just curious.

Non-compete clauses are illegal in California. That's one of the big reasons for the tech boom there.

What about the years of "moratorium" in cases like Scott Forstall?

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by jadekler1 »

dontreact wrote: post #82
litzer wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about in general, but it seems like their residency program [0] gives a good shot at landing on the team afterwards and is accessible to "normal" people passionate about ML [0] https://research.google.com/teams/brain/residency/

Another way is to do 20% and then transfer in which is what I did. That seems doable (I don't have PhD for example).

What do you mean by 20%?

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by chris_7 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #20
dbaupp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent is likely talking about the "Land" typo.

It was probably a clang->land auto correct on a phone. It used to be I only had to worry about my fingers hitting the wrong keys, now I have to worry about my computer not believing that what I wanted to type was what I actually typed.

That would be a weird autocorrect, since clang is an actual word.

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by apple4ever »

guelo wrote: post #11

I find it strange that probably the most successful and influential compiler and PL developer in a generation doesn't seem to be interested in compilers or PL anymore.

Well maybe he realized Swift is a terrible programming language he should do something else.

(Yes I know, he's still involved in Swift. Its a joke. Though Swift really is a terrible programming language).

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by gaius »

jakobegger wrote: post #95
gaius wrote: post #93

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mean...you can't make math simpler. like...math is math. Notation makes a huge difference. LinAlg is a good example of this. And a PL is notation.

Simpler notation might make it easier to implement algorithms without fully understanding them. Not sure how much good is going to come from that. But if you fully understand the problem, notation is not an issue.

I disagree. Try using Roman numerals for example. Or doing linear programming or any sort of optimisation without using matrix notation.

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by mathperson »

jakobegger wrote: post #94
mathperson wrote: post #58

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I mean...you can't make math simpler. like...math is math. you can create resources that make it easier to teach math (and for the record high quality textbooks on AI/ML ABOUND). I think you want software and libraries so you can build things without understanding the math. To some degree this already possible (see my english major linkedin friends playing withs sci-kit etc etc). Fundamentally though, I think you nee…

Re: "I don't fully understand the correspondence between the paper and the code" Have you tried contacting the paper's author(s)? Preferably the PhD student that did the actual work? I used to do that when I couldn't make sense of a paper. Not all authors will respond, some might brush you off with a generic remark to read the appendix or whatever. But it's worth a try. In one case, the author frankly told me that th…

Yeah I am collaborating directly with the primary author...but I think you might be right I would have gotten more helpful advice for the graduate student who spent like a year writing this.

Good advice-I'll keep it in mind for future troubles. Thank you!

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by mathperson »

gaius wrote: post #93
mathperson wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean...you can't make math simpler. like...math is math. you can create resources that make it easier to teach math (and for the record high quality textbooks on AI/ML ABOUND). I think you want software and libraries so you can build things without understanding the math. To some degree this already possible (see my english major linkedin friends playing withs sci-kit etc etc). Fundamentally though, I think you nee…

mean...you can't make math simpler. like...math is math. Notation makes a huge difference. LinAlg is a good example of this. And a PL is notation.

mmm I do see your point. Notation can frame how we think. I hate to be that guy though...but I am a bit triggered by calling linear algebra LinAlg. It is like calling California Cali! Or Analysis -> Anal.

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by dontreact »

jadekler1 wrote: post #103
dontreact wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way is to do 20% and then transfer in which is what I did. That seems doable (I don't have PhD for example).

What do you mean by 20%?

Start on another team at Google (preferably using ML) and do 20% time with Brain.

Re: Chris Lattner Joins Google Brain

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Post by bitmapbrother »

benzoate wrote: post #96
bitmapbrother wrote: post #43

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Privacy focused? Oh, you mean how they pivoted when their Ad business failed.

Didn't their ad business fail because they refused to share/collect as much user data, and hence advertisers were less willing to spend on their platform?

Not to my recollection. They exited the Ad business because it was a financial failure. Do you really think Apple would have exited a business if they were on track to make Google like revenue from it? No way - the shareholders would have raided the building.
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