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YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by tomp »

pmoriarty wrote: post #81
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #60

And, come to think they had me convinced that this was not going to happen for few decades. I think YouTube went down pretty fast and without fight. The ideological takeover of Facebook and Twitter raged on for few years. I think YouTube was taken over literally overnight. I remember being appreciative of YouTube just a few days back. Guess, time to cancel my $15 Youtube Red Family membership. Ugh, I really hate ads…

"I really hate ads on YouTube." Just use youtube-dl and you'll never see any ads.

I use an adblock (uBlock Origin I think or something similar), and never see ads on YouTube.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by bedros »

very related to this article about facebook [0]

corporations control what info passed to people, and create their own version of reality, but blocking what they don't agree with.

I know it's AI, but seems that google appeal agrees with AI decision.

people should read Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing consent book, here's interview about it in 1992 [1]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14998081

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnrBQEAM3rE

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by luck_fenovo »

pmoriarty wrote: post #81
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #60

And, come to think they had me convinced that this was not going to happen for few decades. I think YouTube went down pretty fast and without fight. The ideological takeover of Facebook and Twitter raged on for few years. I think YouTube was taken over literally overnight. I remember being appreciative of YouTube just a few days back. Guess, time to cancel my $15 Youtube Red Family membership. Ugh, I really hate ads…

"I really hate ads on YouTube." Just use youtube-dl and you'll never see any ads.

youtube-dl this and tell me if you see an ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMpZ0TGjbWE

I just tried and I saw one

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by OzzyB »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #9

Youtube's response regarding one of these videos documenting abuses (emphasis mine): > "we've determined that your video does violate our Community Guidelines and have upheld our original decision. We appreciate your understanding ." Can someone explain to me why corporations, when interacting with customers regarding complaints/appeals, seem to have "don't forget to add insult to injury" as one of their motto more o…

> We appreciate your understanding.

It's their way of saying that they know you won't find their decision popular but they hope you won't pursue it any further.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by leereeves »

crusso wrote: post #63
emilsedgh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well almost everything we use these days belongs to a private organization. And we're fully subject to their whims. Something is wrong about that.

And yet, without those private organizations and the free markets that allowed them to thrive - the whole notion of having all that is preserved online by them would be utterly unimaginable. The internet as we know it, capable of passing all this bandwidth to individuals around the world wouldn't exist. At best, it would still be a toy in government labs and academia like it was before it was commercialized.

That's hardly certain. The government built the interstate highways, it could have built the Internet as well.

Privatizing it was a political decision.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by crusso »

cvsh wrote: post #84
crusso wrote: post #58

should be required by law If your videos don't pass the algorithm, post them somewhere else rather than reaching for the government hammer. Youtube/Google has every right to run their business of posting or denying video content the way they see fit without justifying it to you, free user of their service. If you think they're making a bad business decision and that there's a need for a video service that gives great…

That addresses one issue posed by AI bans, but not the other issue I mention in the second paragraph.

That the ban was libelous? I'm not a lawyer, but being extreme according to their own standards doesn't sound like something you could successfully sue for libel.

I think that libel involves written statements that have objective specificity that is provably wrong. Subjective statements, especially if only implied by the removal of some videos would seem to be entirely within the realm of protected opinion.

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Post by icebraining »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #95
icebraining wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your first link, "[Google is] one of the founding members of ADL’s Anti-Cyberhate Working Group, established almost a decade ago". Like I said, nothing significant has changed recently. They are just expanding what they were already doing.

It seems pretty conventional to say that "taking over" is the culmination of a gradual "expansion", no?

Expanding their actions. I think the ideology has been the same for a very long time.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by TuringTest »

mschuster91 wrote: post #48
TuringTest wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google, Twitter and FB massively need to ramp up their customer service This is not going to happen; the whole point of their businesses based on offering free massive online services is that they are dirt-cheap by being run mostly automatically. No, the only way to fix the problem in those juggernauts, and protect the tiny individuals from getting caught and squashed in their wheels, is the mechanism that governme…

> No, the only way to fix the problem in those juggernauts, and protect the tiny individuals from getting caught and squashed in their wheels, is the mechanism that governments use to protect citizens from the worst effects of bureaucracy: having an ombudsman. A semi-independent service to receive complaints of severe abuse by the main service, and for which the primary goal is protecting users, not reducing costs. Y…

Maybe a non-profit foundation could assume the task, financed by Google's PR money and wealthy patrons, and having some sort of community representation to take care of the needs of users.

Modern society is looking a lot like time-compressed feudal eras, with corporations taking the role of noble families; imho the time of powerful independent bourgeois professionals, thriving under the rule of law in nation states, is coming to an end. Maybe we should start looking at the medieval ways of organizing a fair society, at least as the starting points for the new social structures that will be unique to the digital era.

Re: YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist material'

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Post by pmoriarty »

luck_fenovo wrote: post #103
pmoriarty wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really hate ads on YouTube." Just use youtube-dl and you'll never see any ads.

youtube-dl this and tell me if you see an ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMpZ0TGjbWE I just tried and I saw one

That's a video of an ad, which is quite different from videos that aren't ads but have ads injected in to them by youtube.

If you want to watch videos of ads, of course you can do so. But if you want to avoid them you can do so as well, by using youtube-dl.

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