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Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#101

Post by alkonaut »

vidarh wrote: post #99
aykutcan wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 10 is usable in every aspect. Boot speed is pretty good and doesnt freeze like that. Check your hardware if that is a fresh factory install. You are doing something wrong. They are not common problems. They are yours.

I bought my son a new laptop earlier this year. It is something like ten times faster than his old Linux laptop (my old hand-me-downs), yet it boots slow and is sluggish with Windows where his old Linux setup was fast. I haven't had it freeze, but I've spent far more time solving problems with his new laptop in the last few months than in the last few years of having him use Linux. If it wasn't for some of the games…

If a new laptop is slow something must be wrong. Such as it having a mechanical disk. It might not seem like a big problem but it's almost a complete no go with win 10. If there are performance issues/freezing on a machine with 8GB and SSD then something is wrong and you should contact the manufacturer, chances are a bios or driver update will fix it

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#102

Post by CrLf »

I'm still unsure of the usefulness of SQL Server on Linux. I don't see the point of running SQL Server on Linux (I'd rather choose PostgreSQL or something), nor do I see the point of choosing Linux if I'd already settled for SQL Server.

I don't think this (in the end) is anything more than a marketing trick, there to give the illusion of choice.

This is not uncommon in ISVs, btw. There are many commercial offerings that have a Linux version, crippled in so many interesting ways that it makes it pointless. I'm a Linux person but I advocated against choosing Linux versions (of different products) many times in the past. Actually, that means the marketing trick works.

In my experience, software always has a primary plaform where it shines, and the other "supported" platforms are always stepchildren.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#103

Post by BarkMore »

frik wrote: post #5
flukus wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rewrite, or a "rewrite"? I've seen plenty of press articles about something MS "rewrote" from the ground up, including windows itself, and they are never true. Unless they actually started from a blank source repository then it was not a rewrite.

Don't down vote him. More often than not those are just normal refactoring with PR attempts to get rid of old license info. See IE7, it got rid of Mosaic license info yet even IE11 and early Edge contains web render code and mouse behaviors that can be traced back to Mosaic web browser, where it forked off. The same is with game engines, Valve's Source engine 2 started as a fork of ID's Quake 1 engine and it's still…

IE4 was a rewrite, not a refactor job.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#104

Post by kuschku »

alkonaut wrote: post #101
vidarh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought my son a new laptop earlier this year. It is something like ten times faster than his old Linux laptop (my old hand-me-downs), yet it boots slow and is sluggish with Windows where his old Linux setup was fast. I haven't had it freeze, but I've spent far more time solving problems with his new laptop in the last few months than in the last few years of having him use Linux. If it wasn't for some of the games…

If a new laptop is slow something must be wrong. Such as it having a mechanical disk. It might not seem like a big problem but it's almost a complete no go with win 10. If there are performance issues/freezing on a machine with 8GB and SSD then something is wrong and you should contact the manufacturer, chances are a bios or driver update will fix it

Oh, so you're offering to buy me an SSD for Windows 10? That's so nice of you!

/s

If it doesn't work on a mechanical drive, it's fucking broken.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#105

Post by thriftwy »

alkonaut wrote: post #101
vidarh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought my son a new laptop earlier this year. It is something like ten times faster than his old Linux laptop (my old hand-me-downs), yet it boots slow and is sluggish with Windows where his old Linux setup was fast. I haven't had it freeze, but I've spent far more time solving problems with his new laptop in the last few months than in the last few years of having him use Linux. If it wasn't for some of the games…

If a new laptop is slow something must be wrong. Such as it having a mechanical disk. It might not seem like a big problem but it's almost a complete no go with win 10. If there are performance issues/freezing on a machine with 8GB and SSD then something is wrong and you should contact the manufacturer, chances are a bios or driver update will fix it

> Such as it having a mechanical disk. it's almost a complete no go with win 10

Why then do Windows 10 laptops get sold with HDDs? You come to store and that's what you get out of it.

Also, Linux doesn't mind running from HDD. Not ten years ago, not now.

Lesson to MS: Get your act together or get out of this business. Come back from make-believe world. MS is running on make-believe for the last 10 years. Windows 8, the whole Avalon story, Windows Phone and now this Windows 10 "which only works well on SSD but never discourages anybody from getting an HDD laptop". Supposedly we should learn about this by telepathy or something.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#106

Post by alkonaut »

tkubacki wrote: post #78
wilhil wrote: post #49

As someone who has tried some early builds, what annoys me is that they have made it a lot easier and much quicker to install on Linux than it is on Windows!

It's hard to make things easy on Windows - it's law of nature.

It's actually not - if you try to avoid integrating in any way with the os. Shared-nothing apps are pretty nice.

SQL server and a few of the other behemoth apps seem to have a very hard time staying separate from windows which is annoying.

In Linux the design benefit is that there are package managers and the flaw is that there are many. Shipping a simple binary installer for multiple distributions is still tricky.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#107

Post by eddieroger »

thriftwy wrote: post #71
chx wrote: post #66

Microsoft is playing a fantastic Linux game with putting Linux userspace on the Windows desktop where drivers and UI are far better than the Linux drivers and UI and putting SQL Server on Linux server where the Linux kernel is much stronger. They know their strengths and weaknesses and not afraid to play to them. Here's my writeup on setting up Windows 10 as a long, long time Linux user https://github.com/chx/chx.git…

Too bad that Windows 10 barely usable on itself. Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning mal…

Barely usable is dramatic, but the multiple interfaces to do seemingly the same thing is annoying and I agree makes usability a challenge. What differentiates when a setting is in the old Control Panel versus the new one? What's the difference between Edge and Internet Explorer, and why is my browser sometimes a traditional window and sometimes a full screen, touch focused app (this is a gaming PC hooked to a TV, so no touching)? I'm often accused of being an Apple fanboy, and while I try to stay agnostic, I think some of the things Windows has done with 10 are pretty confusing, though markedly better than whatever they tried to do with 8.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

#108

Post by peter_retief »

peter_retief wrote: post #7

I really don't see the point of having another data server running on Linux, as it is developers are spoilt for choice. I am not a fan of anything Microsoft and don't like to see it raise its head on open source products like RaspberryPi and now its attack on open source software. I want to get away from this greedy monolithic destroyer of innovation not embrace it into the open source fold

I see the rabid response I got proves my point, thanks for being part of the experiment

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Post by qarioz »

CrLf wrote: post #102

I'm still unsure of the usefulness of SQL Server on Linux. I don't see the point of running SQL Server on Linux (I'd rather choose PostgreSQL or something), nor do I see the point of choosing Linux if I'd already settled for SQL Server. I don't think this (in the end) is anything more than a marketing trick, there to give the illusion of choice. This is not uncommon in ISVs, btw. There are many commercial offerings t…

I don't see any plus either, but I can see management telling developers to use sql servers or to maintain old database using Linux.

Re: How Microsoft brought SQL Server to Linux

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Post by d4nt »

CrLf wrote: post #102

I'm still unsure of the usefulness of SQL Server on Linux. I don't see the point of running SQL Server on Linux (I'd rather choose PostgreSQL or something), nor do I see the point of choosing Linux if I'd already settled for SQL Server. I don't think this (in the end) is anything more than a marketing trick, there to give the illusion of choice. This is not uncommon in ISVs, btw. There are many commercial offerings t…

I think for .net developers, this makes more sense. You have an existing .net app, built to talk to MS SQL Server, if the latest version of .net can run on Linux, but your DB can't then you're faced with either managing two OS flavours, or just ignoring the Linux compatibility.

Ignoring Linux compatibility would have knock on effects because Linux is now the platform for so many other tool, e.g. Docker.

Regardless of how easy the 'upgrade and migrate to Linux' story is right now, I think it's vital that MS started down this road. Otherwise the .net framework would be [seen as] finished now, and people would start planning to migrate off it.

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