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Re: Atom 1.18 released

#101

Post by swozey »

ainar-g wrote: post #4

Please, don't consider this a troll question (I personally am a vim kind of guy), but is there any reason to use Atom over VSCode these days? The sole reason to me seems that VSCode is developed by the "evil" Microsoft. Other than that, most people I know who tried Atom switched to VSCode or (back to) Sublime in the end.

You can't highlight multiple files at a time in VScode. That brought me back to Atom. I never realized how much I use that feature until I switched to VScode for 6 months, I switched back to Atom a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#102

Post by uranian »

guessmyname wrote: post #84
geluso wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom is free. Sublime costs $70. Plus, Atom comes with several lovely features Sublime doesn't have. Pay less, get more? Great deal! It's funny to catch friends looking at Sublime's payment popup window. I always joke, "oh, you're still evaluating?" Of course they're not evaluating. They're never going to pay for it. What a nuisance. Atom has excellent window management. It's very easy to drag a tab and split it half…

$70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. If you have a job (either as a freelancer or professional) you certainly should be able to afford to pay for a $70 license, if you cannot then maybe your problem is your salary. If you are a student, ask your parents for it. I have given away at least 8 single-user licenses to friends and fellow co-workers who had your mentality, and they are now happy Sublim…

> $70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get.

Maybe on a slow pc, but with Atom on my macbook pro I have no performance issues at all period. I code 8+ hours a day (for many years), and no my fan is not spinning all the time because of Atom. I have 16Gb ram, have multiple apps open at the same time, Chrome with 30+ tabs, listen music via youtube, etc..

I was a long time Sublime user, but the $70 they're asking is really way too much with so many great open source alternatives today. Would they at least divide the $70 to all the package writers that actually make Sublime a great editor I might be willing to spend it, but unfortunately they want all the money for themselves..

Switched to Atom a while ago, I gained (some really great) features and finally got rid of the trial pop-up.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#103

Post by StreakyCobra »

astrod wrote: post #99

I recently switched from vs code to atom, before that I was on webstorm. Loving the hydrogen plugin to evaluate lines or js expressions inside the editor. https://atom.io/packages/hydrogen

> This package lets you run your code directly in Atom using any Jupyter kernels you have installed.

FYI you can do the same with the jupyter VSCode extension [1]

[1] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=donjayam...

PS: There are a few differences in the way they work, but I posted this to give pointers for people who may want such extensions in VSCode.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#104

Post by santaclaus »

veidr wrote: post #92
v1n337 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't VSCode Electron based too? After reading this article[1], I've shunned desktop apps using Electron, because it just seems wasteful in terms of memory. I've switched back to Sublime. [1] https://josephg.com/blog/electron-is-flash-for-the-desktop/

Yes, but while Sublime is still way faster, there's not much human-time-perceptible difference between Sublime and VS Code, and there's still (even in this new 1.18) a huge difference between Atom and the other two. Sublime (or really any competently-designed native editor) does indeed use way less memory for any text-editing task than any Electron-based app. But memory is fast. VS Code shows that an Electron-based a…

> there's not much human-time-perceptible difference between Sublime and VS Code

VS Code chokes pretty horribly on 'large' files and is really slow to load. It also has noticeable typing latency vis a vis Sublime.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#105

Post by [deleted] »

rspeer wrote: post #100
edraferi wrote: post #22

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> What's the actual difference? I believe Intellisense is VScode's best differentiator. It provides very good autocomplete.

I use VScode currently (for Python) but I'm not entirely satisfied with it. How do you set up this very good autocomplete? The official Python plugin (by Don Jayamanne) seems kind of bad at autocomplete and related features. I get autocomplete that: - Autocompletes random stuff because I pressed "enter" or "down" - Tries to autocomplete comments - If I tell it to autocomplete only on tab, then it will sometimes autoc…

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Re: Atom 1.18 released

#106

Post by problems »

guessmyname wrote: post #84
geluso wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom is free. Sublime costs $70. Plus, Atom comes with several lovely features Sublime doesn't have. Pay less, get more? Great deal! It's funny to catch friends looking at Sublime's payment popup window. I always joke, "oh, you're still evaluating?" Of course they're not evaluating. They're never going to pay for it. What a nuisance. Atom has excellent window management. It's very easy to drag a tab and split it half…

$70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. If you have a job (either as a freelancer or professional) you certainly should be able to afford to pay for a $70 license, if you cannot then maybe your problem is your salary. If you are a student, ask your parents for it. I have given away at least 8 single-user licenses to friends and fellow co-workers who had your mentality, and they are now happy Sublim…

It's not just $70, it's $70 for a closed source text editor when perfectly viable free, open source alternatives exist.

Even if I can afford something doesn't mean I'm going to pay for it without feeling like I'm getting ripped off.

Yes, Atom has its problems, but many of those don't exist in VSCode, Vim, Emacs, even SciTE, I'd advise considering more than 1 alternative option before spending that much.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#107

Post by Hamuko »

SippinLean wrote: post #91
Hamuko wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the actual difference? As far as I can see, they're both poor text editors with bad interfaces, built on top of the horrible mess that is Electron. They're also both massive. VS Code takes up 235 MB and Atom takes a whopping 530 MB. Sublime Text is like 30 MB.

>with bad interfaces VS Code's interface is nearly identical to Sublime's, with some nice sugar in places that are helpful (optional GUI for keybindings and extensions). For debugging and version control VS Code's interface OOTB is leaps and bounds above Sublime's. >VS Code takes up 235 MB Meh I have 16GB of RAM on my old computer. Or do you actually just mean HDD space? Who cares about 200MB in that regard?

VS Code's interface is a garbage Metro (or whatever Microsoft is calling it today) implementation with sidebar hell from Office.

>Who cares about 200MB in that regard? Who cares about anything? Just use everything you have. CPU, RAM, battery life and so on. These things are free for the developer.

Is VS Code actually seven times better and/or complex compared to Sublime Text that it actually needs to use the additional disk space.

Electron is garbage and just an exercise in providing a bad user experience to people for the sake of making front-end developers happy since they're the ones making them. The end result is bloated applications that are slow and use way too much system resources. VS Code used to use a significant portion (>10%) of the CPU just to draw a blinking cursor.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#108

Post by dragonwriter »

guessmyname wrote: post #84
geluso wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom is free. Sublime costs $70. Plus, Atom comes with several lovely features Sublime doesn't have. Pay less, get more? Great deal! It's funny to catch friends looking at Sublime's payment popup window. I always joke, "oh, you're still evaluating?" Of course they're not evaluating. They're never going to pay for it. What a nuisance. Atom has excellent window management. It's very easy to drag a tab and split it half…

$70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. If you have a job (either as a freelancer or professional) you certainly should be able to afford to pay for a $70 license, if you cannot then maybe your problem is your salary. If you are a student, ask your parents for it. I have given away at least 8 single-user licenses to friends and fellow co-workers who had your mentality, and they are now happy Sublim…

> $70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get.

Relative to the best free alternative for any particular use case, I'm not convinced that's generally the case.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#109

Post by dragonwriter »

guessmyname wrote: post #84
geluso wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom is free. Sublime costs $70. Plus, Atom comes with several lovely features Sublime doesn't have. Pay less, get more? Great deal! It's funny to catch friends looking at Sublime's payment popup window. I always joke, "oh, you're still evaluating?" Of course they're not evaluating. They're never going to pay for it. What a nuisance. Atom has excellent window management. It's very easy to drag a tab and split it half…

$70 is nothing compared with the performance that you get. If you have a job (either as a freelancer or professional) you certainly should be able to afford to pay for a $70 license, if you cannot then maybe your problem is your salary. If you are a student, ask your parents for it. I have given away at least 8 single-user licenses to friends and fellow co-workers who had your mentality, and they are now happy Sublim…

> I am sure there will be someone in the replies saying that they don't notice any lag, they will even include the amount of RAM in their computer as if it was relevant (no, it is not, it's a code editor, it should be fast). The fact that it runs well in your computer doesn't means the problems don't exist.

It actually does, for any user's rational purchasing decision: a problem that doesn't manifest, or does manifest without any cost, in their use case does not exist as a problem.

Re: Atom 1.18 released

#110

Post by astrod »

StreakyCobra wrote: post #103
astrod wrote: post #99

I recently switched from vs code to atom, before that I was on webstorm. Loving the hydrogen plugin to evaluate lines or js expressions inside the editor. https://atom.io/packages/hydrogen

> This package lets you run your code directly in Atom using any Jupyter kernels you have installed. FYI you can do the same with the jupyter VSCode extension [1] [1] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=donjayam... PS: There are a few differences in the way they work, but I posted this to give pointers for people who may want such extensions in VSCode.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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