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Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by evan_ »

tehlike wrote: post #86
evan_ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One is just earlier in his career

i don't think trump will be a dictator. it doesn't look like he has that intention - his steps are not cohesive, and not deeply rooted to assert his absolute authority. not to mention the us has better foundation of democracy.

He signs unconstitutional orders and then attacks the court when they strike them down. He heaps praise on dictators and slams democratic allies. He probably won't be a dictator because he's incompetent but it's clear how he wants to operate.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by tehlike »

evan_ wrote: post #101
tehlike wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't think trump will be a dictator. it doesn't look like he has that intention - his steps are not cohesive, and not deeply rooted to assert his absolute authority. not to mention the us has better foundation of democracy.

He signs unconstitutional orders and then attacks the court when they strike them down. He heaps praise on dictators and slams democratic allies. He probably won't be a dictator because he's incompetent but it's clear how he wants to operate.

Probably, but dictatorship comes as more fundamental. Signing orders is the worst way to do it. You first grow a base thqt would support you, bring them into positions that would strenghten your absolute power. Sure trump is doing that somewhat but i dont think it is happening at fundamental levels. You also need charisma somewhat.

Good thing is, the US has the checks and balances that would make it really hard for him to achieve his potential goal. It takes more than one guy to make it happen.

I have seen it first hand, in Turkey.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by fmg »

cmurf wrote: post #44

This same scenario happened last year outside the Brookings Institution. I suspect the reason why there's such good video coverage of this year's attack, is they were ready for it, based on what happened last year. In the short term, I agree with John McCain, the Turkish ambassador to the U.S. should be expelled over this event. What precedes all of this is the U.S. supports the YPG, which Erdogan considers a terrori…

YPG has strong ties to PKK, which is recognized as a terrorist organization by NATO and EU [1] [2].

I strongly dislike Erdogan and his policies, and certainly don't approve the attack but YPG is a different issue. It is sad that most outsiders' view about the Kurdish conflict boils down to 'Turkey hates Kurds'. It's just not like that. We should all unite against terrorism.

[1]: http://www.coedat.nato.int/publication/datr/volume8-2016/01-... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by kingofpandora »

fmg wrote: post #103
cmurf wrote: post #44

This same scenario happened last year outside the Brookings Institution. I suspect the reason why there's such good video coverage of this year's attack, is they were ready for it, based on what happened last year. In the short term, I agree with John McCain, the Turkish ambassador to the U.S. should be expelled over this event. What precedes all of this is the U.S. supports the YPG, which Erdogan considers a terrori…

YPG has strong ties to PKK, which is recognized as a terrorist organization by NATO and EU [1] [2]. I strongly dislike Erdogan and his policies, and certainly don't approve the attack but YPG is a different issue. It is sad that most outsiders' view about the Kurdish conflict boils down to 'Turkey hates Kurds'. It's just not like that. We should all unite against terrorism. [1]: http://www.coedat.nato.int/publication…

YPG and PKK are two different entities.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by ehsankia »

ngcazz wrote: post #52
ehsankia wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was honestly surprised that NYT did such a beautiful in depth analysis of videos and didn't have this video in there. How can you do an in depth research on that incident and not have this vital video? I wonder if with modern machine learning backed algorithms, we can do a semi-decent job at reading some of the lips in that video.

What? It's near the bottom.

I was either having a really slow day or it was added later.
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