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Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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Thats C++ source from v1.00 pre-expansion, an early version that is quite not the polished game that v1.07/v1.08 was, written on pre-c++98 MSVC code by inexpirienced and overworked programmers, when win95 was the mainstream OS and 128mB of ram was plenty and 3D cards were luxury products(most used motherboard graphics).

https://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/tough-times-on-the-road-to-...

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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Have you considered a career as a kidnapper? Taking it a bit too far but think about the why. The code is proprietary regardless.

Giving back the source code is like burying an ancient Egyptian mummy you just found. Of course the Pharaohs would protest you taking away the mummy but who cares? It is about preserving culture and making its intricate details visible to everyone.

Not like that at all. The source is Blizzard's intellectual property, doesn't matter where you found it (not to mention you're overestimating the cultural value of the source files).

If culture is to be preserved I'm sure some of the original developers would make so. On the other hand, we could definitely do with shorter IP rights like 20-30 years, so that devs could legally release it within their lifetimes.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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It looks like someone found a copy of Blizzard's copyrighted source code, returned it to Blizzard, and got a reward. Why are people upset about this? It seems like the right thing to do to my mind. If someone found a copy of my own source laying in the street I'd be very happy if they returned it instead of releasing it on the net.

I don't know. A lot of people in this thread apparently never learned to tell right from wrong.

Or don't share your values of right and wrong. It may surprise you, but people have different opinions on this matter and it frames what they do in life.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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I don't know. A lot of people in this thread apparently never learned to tell right from wrong.

Edit: never mind, silly question

Right and wrong is, roughly speaking, defined based on what is good for society as a whole, balanced against the needs of the individual. It has nothing to do with some higher or cosmic absolute truth.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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It's a very twisted train of thought going on here. I had to dig a bit deeper in that thread to find them, but here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/68xzxt/star...

Go ahead and disagree with that train of thought, but I don't see how it's 'twisted' to call him selfish. You can call the venom in those posts twisted, but that is a very different thing from saying the actual reasoning behind the posts is twisted.

Selfish for following the law and respecting the wishes of the authors of a work? Jesus, people are really performing some mental gymnastics to justify the hypothetical theft of property in this case in order to arrive at the conclusion that the finder is somehow being selfish.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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post #81

Damn people are tearing this guy apart, the reddit threads are particularly brutal. It's a video game. The finder has no obligation to risk legal trouble so that a game can be modified, played, or even preserved. I'm all for archiving these sorts of things, and agree there's probably no great reason to keep the source private. But if I have the (likely) stolen property of a large company and they ask for its return,…

You buy a box of old documents on Ebay. It contains an original manuscript of The Fellowship of the Ring with J. R. R. Tolkien's edits and notes in the margins. Tolkien's estate demands the copy back so they can burn it. You should mail it to them because they own it, right? It's just a book, right? No, you shouldn't. They owners shouldn't be able to destroy it for the same reason we have laws protecting monuments an…

>>They owners shouldn't be able to destroy it for the same reason we have laws protecting monuments and historical sites.

Monuments and historical sites require Acts of Congress or Executive Orders to establish. If you care so much about this game's source code, maybe you should write to your congress critter.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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post #77

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>but they're better Citation needed. I've played a ton of AAA multiplayer games over the years. Hearthstone is hands down the worst one that I've given a fair chance to (>20-30 hours of playtime). To say that it's better than Counter-Strike (which many regard as the epitome of competetive FPS gaming and has stood the test of time in that role for almost as long as Starcraft has done the same for RTS) is an absolute j…

To compare a turn based CCG to a competitive FPS is an absolute joke. To generalize your dislike of a CCG, one of Blizzard's multiple games, into an argument against GP is a joke. Whether modders would make as positive an impact in HS as they did in Valve games is very unclear, and I say that as the author of a Hearthstone simulator and founder of a community and company heavily involved in Hearthstone modding, rever…

GP outright stated that Blizzard's games are better than Valve's and Bethesda's because of their strict control over quality/lack of community content.

My point is that Hearthstone is an objectively worse game than Counter-Strike is, in the same way tic-tac-toe is inferior to Chess in almost all respects. I'm not denying Hearthstone is fun, and makes a metric ton of money. I play it a reasonable amount and have spent money on it. But it's not a good game.

I don't see how providing a direct counter-example to an argument is 'generalising', but whatever.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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It's not normal source code. It's not like you found the source to the latest Halo game or something. This is like finding the source to the original Halo game, of little to no commercial value but of immense cultural value. Where possible these artefacts are archived so they will be around long after the companies have folded. Unfortunately it's just not possible most of the time as companies end up taking their sof…

This is exactly why I dig up the bodies of influential historical figures every chance I get.

You search them for gold masters of source code on CD-ROM?

I found one on Lincoln, but it was just some cat photos and backups of selfies from the cessation of the Civil War at various Reconstruction projects.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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It's still their property. IMO non-Blizzard individuals have no right to post it.

Like I said, from a black and white legal standpoint it was the right move. But so much was lost from not simply uploading it somewhere from an internet cafe. It enters the same ethical flexibility as things like wikileaks in my opinion

> It enters the same ethical flexibility as things like wikileaks in my opinion

I agree with you, it is completely unethical and totally self-serving.

Re: Guy Finds StarCraft Source Code and Returns It to Blizzard

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It probably isn't strictly a legal obligation to return the physical disc barring stolen property stuff, but it would definitely be illegal to redistribute copyrighted code without a license to do so. Maybe you could claim some type of fair use but it wouldn't be transformative so I can't see how. As for morality, I apply the golden rule: if someone found the code I wrote for a groundbreaking piece of software, and I…

> I apply the golden rule: if someone found the code I wrote for a groundbreaking piece of software, and I didn't want to open source it, I'd really like for them to respect my wishes and return it. Is that really the golden rule? What about "the good of the many"? Returning it to Blizzard directly is good for Blizzard . Returning your code is good for you . Realistically, it has little monetary value (all the "value…

> Returning it to Blizzard directly is good for Blizzard. Returning your code is good for you.

To expand on this, it's good in general to return leaked code of active-development projects because that helps the social contract of turning work into something that can be sold. So if I found jakebasile's 2015 code in an alley, it would be in some sense good for everyone for me to return it.

But that doesn't apply to a 20 year old master for starcraft. There is no promotion of the useful arts in returning the CD in this specific case, and it's a hugely relevant cultural artifact.

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