Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Iphone 4.0 official video

apple.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 177 posts

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#101

Post by OoTheNigerian »

sp332 wrote: post #55
OoTheNigerian wrote: post #23

You have to give it to Apple, they are the masters of marketing. It does not matter if all these functionalities existed long before before, they make it seem like a new invention. Just like Mac books, the iPhone will have a small market share but will be very profitable for Apple.

How many phones have 300+ DPI IPS screens?

That is an exception. I am talking about front facing camera which existed years ago, flash (as in the light :)), 5 meg camera etc. I am not in anyway trying to belittle what they have created. But you should remember these are the same guys that made a really big deal about cut and paste.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#102

Post by ugh »

mattyb wrote: post #92
ugh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem to be using the video-tag: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/html5.png Don’t know what’s going on with QuickTime – maybe a fallback if your browser won’t play h.264? Does it work on Chrome without QuickTime? (– edit: Three people [who downvoted me] seem to think that formulating a reasonable hypothesis and asking reasonable questions because of conflicting information is already too much Apple love. Or maybe…

On my Ubuntu 10.04 system, the video played fine.

Ok, now I’m really intrigued. My browser sniffing theory doesn’t seem to be the (complete) truth, either.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#103

Post by snom370 »

buster wrote: post #88
lutorm wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would seem useful if you could do it over 3G. As someone mentioned, that's been done in Europe for something like 5 years. Otherwise, being able to video chat over wifi -- skype (and ichat, though ichat seems much more picky about firewalls) has done that for years, too. Yeah, true, now you'll be able to do it without your laptop (but still have wifi), but it's not like it's some kind of revolutionary leap...

Also, now that they aren't using the already existing technology UMTS, but they have been preventing Skype video calling for years (iirc). When they do video calls, why didn't they just enable skype and instantly have a much bigger userbase and also that would potentially include videocalls between all platforms skype runs on. Edit: Well, ok. The former iphones had no second camera.

And they _have_ enabled Skype, and even demoed it running in the background when introducing iPhone OS 4. So I'm guessing that they will allow video camera support for Skype as well, although you can never know with Apple.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#104

Post by elblanco »

I was really hoping the hardware we "accidentally" saw wasn't the final phone case. Maybe I have to see it in person, but the original iPhone design looks far more elegant. All the bands, square seams and panels in this design really seem more HTC than Apple.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#105

Post by Mongoose »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #62

Is it just me, or is Jonathan Ive the only Apple exec able to convincingly recreate Job's reality distortion field? Every time one of these videos comes out, a bunch of guys are paraded out, each one trying to imp Job's style, vocabulary, and delivery, but each one coming across as some guy trying to copy someone else, rather than exude their own sense of style and originality. To be even less charitable and more cyn…

In Ive's case, the British accent helps. Hearing him talk about his design decisions is captivating in the same way as David Attenborough narrating nature.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#106

Post by pronoiac »

adamesque wrote: post #63
pxlpshr wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did that back in 2004 when iChat AV was introduced, and AV didn't disrupt or shift habits away from traditional audio and text. I think video conferencing is a great feature no doubt, but it's largely too intrusive for most people. Certainly making it more accessible and standardized will help some however, even amongst the most savvy early adopters (and MM+ of college students with MacBooks), video chatting has…

iChat AV has always had an interesting usability / interaction issue. Because the camera is located on the display bezel, and not in the middle of the screen where the video window sits, you can't ever make full eye contact with the person you're talking to. It makes the entire conversation feel a little "off". I've always thought this was a subtle yet important reason computer-based video chat never took off, and wa…

The offset between the iPhone camera & screen is several times smaller than a laptop with a built-in camera, & if you have a separate webcam, it can be even worse.

So I'd say the iPhone is an improvement, at least.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#107

Post by car »

buster wrote: post #48
aresant wrote: post #41

I just walked into our office lunch room where a bunch of non-technical / non-gadget people were talking about the video conferencing capabilities of the new iphone . . . I think that feature is going to be a monster commercial success that every other phone immediately copies. Will probably be the only point that we hear about on the local news / etc rather than Steve's consolidated 8-points . . .

I don't get it. Videoconferencing is insanely old and never took off. First there was ISDN video conferencing.. apart from the job at a telco i did once i've never actually seen one that was used. Second, the first UMTS mobile i got had video conferencing, that's really a long time ago (Motorola V980 btw.) and many UMTS phones shipped with the second camera for years now. Yet, noone ever used it. Atleast i've never s…

I think the big difference will be in experience on the iPhone. Older systems were plagued by low resolution, crappy compression and lag / latency due to network routing issues (proxies etc.).

Judging from the videos, the iPhone 4G uses hardware to encode/decode the VGA video in H.264, which makes for low latency and high quality of that part in the processing chain, and by using standards like STUN/TURN, allows for mostly direct (p2p) connections between IP endpoints, thus using the best possible path for the media, with the result being low latency.

It will be interesting to see if Apple can coax the carriers into QoS for the video, once it travels over their 3G networks.

And it's also interesting that Apple chose pure SIP, rather then the IMS SIP that carriers have been trying to cook up over the last (almost) decade.

[EDIT] Digging some more, Apple is working with the carriers to get their networks ready for video calling, which probably means that they will offer QoS, for a price. Prepare to pay for the privilege...

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#108

Post by [deleted] »

ugh wrote: post #39
mpk wrote: post #8

Eh, requires Quicktime. Hooray for the Open Web. I'll just take your word that it's really shiny.

They seem to be using the video-tag: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/html5.png Don’t know what’s going on with QuickTime – maybe a fallback if your browser won’t play h.264? Does it work on Chrome without QuickTime? (– edit: Three people [who downvoted me] seem to think that formulating a reasonable hypothesis and asking reasonable questions because of conflicting information is already too much Apple love. Or maybe…

[deleted]

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#109

Post by angusgr »

masklinn wrote: post #66
fjania wrote: post #38

I won't put quicktime on this machine, so I haven't seen the video. Do they mention the speed of the processor in the video? I'm suspicious of the actual processor speed since it wasn't mentioned in the coverage I saw of the event, and it's not mentioned here: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

They don't mention the frequency at any point, only that it's an A4. Notice that they don't say anything about RAM either.

Have Apple ever revealed those specifics publicly, for any revision of the iPhone?

I'm not sure if they even revealed the previous iPhones were ARM-based in their marketing materials.

Re: Iphone 4.0 official video

#110

Post by warfangle »

sp332 wrote: post #55
OoTheNigerian wrote: post #23

You have to give it to Apple, they are the masters of marketing. It does not matter if all these functionalities existed long before before, they make it seem like a new invention. Just like Mac books, the iPhone will have a small market share but will be very profitable for Apple.

How many phones have 300+ DPI IPS screens?

How many phones have a display with better than 800:1 contrast ratio[1]? All the resolution in the world doesn't matter if you can't actually see it. The Nexus One, in comparison, has a 100,000:1 contrast ratio[2].

1. http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_One

Post reply on HN