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Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#101

Post by ergo14 »

mhd wrote: post #53
k__ wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because in my experience the "out-of-the-box" solutions always break down the more you want to customise them. Now I rather prefer solutions that have customisation in mind from start, so it's always easy to switch things.

I remember when that wave hit the Ruby/Python space, with things like Pyramid/Pylons. These days that seems to have gone the way of the dodo, with the big monoliths still being around and then some minimal HTTP decorators like Sinatra/Flask/Node. Problem is that the middle ground would require a level of modularity that we still haven't reached, despite all the talk of "software ICs" that came around with early OOP.…

You know that pyramid powers some of the most important infrastructure for python? Like new version of PYPI (https://pypi.org/)? And lots of big organizations use it - like Mozilla or NASA, sites like Reddit still use pylons.

IF you think it went the way of the dodo, I'd suggest doing a bit of better research before predicting the future :D Because IMO you are seriously off here.

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#103

Post by Matthias247 »

dandare wrote: post #102

I always wondered what is the business model of a library like this. Is just someone spending hundreds of hours of his free time to create this for the community? Or is there a business model I don't see?

In theory you could hope that you find users and afterwards offer consulting and support services for your users. As well as charge for development of custom features/extensions that they need.

I guess in practice I think business models around libraries, frameworks and infrastructure software are hard. There is often lots of competition. And users in the meantime often expect that these things (including support) are for free.

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#104

Post by mhd »

ergo14 wrote: post #101
mhd wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when that wave hit the Ruby/Python space, with things like Pyramid/Pylons. These days that seems to have gone the way of the dodo, with the big monoliths still being around and then some minimal HTTP decorators like Sinatra/Flask/Node. Problem is that the middle ground would require a level of modularity that we still haven't reached, despite all the talk of "software ICs" that came around with early OOP.…

You know that pyramid powers some of the most important infrastructure for python? Like new version of PYPI ( https://pypi.org/ )? And lots of big organizations use it - like Mozilla or NASA, sites like Reddit still use pylons. IF you think it went the way of the dodo, I'd suggest doing a bit of better research before predicting the future :D Because IMO you are seriously off here.

I'm talking about the trend of build-your-own frameworks, not the software itself. Heck, there are enough sites out there still using Zope, MASON and Aolserver.

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#105

Post by [deleted] »

a-guest wrote: post #95
catshirt wrote: post #73

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"The fact that Glimmer templates are "just HTML" makes them accessible to people like designers who may not understand all of the fancy destructuring or array mapping happening in your JSX." isn't this like, at least a little backwards? JSX is HTML and JS. templating languages are HTML with some custom DSL. destructuring and especially mapping are pretty simple concepts. creating a new syntax to cater to people who c…

> JSX is HTML and JS (?) "JSX is a preprocessor step that adds XML syntax to JavaScript." http://buildwithreact.com/tutorial/jsx Whereas the templates in Glimmer are built on HTML. At the 10,000 ft view, my two cents: it looks easier to reason about what is going on with dynamic elements in the template via handlebars together with what is going with the html elements themselves in terms of rendering/appearance/css,…

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Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#106

Post by [deleted] »

a-guest wrote: post #95
catshirt wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The fact that Glimmer templates are "just HTML" makes them accessible to people like designers who may not understand all of the fancy destructuring or array mapping happening in your JSX." isn't this like, at least a little backwards? JSX is HTML and JS. templating languages are HTML with some custom DSL. destructuring and especially mapping are pretty simple concepts. creating a new syntax to cater to people who c…

> JSX is HTML and JS (?) "JSX is a preprocessor step that adds XML syntax to JavaScript." http://buildwithreact.com/tutorial/jsx Whereas the templates in Glimmer are built on HTML. At the 10,000 ft view, my two cents: it looks easier to reason about what is going on with dynamic elements in the template via handlebars together with what is going with the html elements themselves in terms of rendering/appearance/css,…

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Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#107

Post by [deleted] »

a-guest wrote: post #95
catshirt wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The fact that Glimmer templates are "just HTML" makes them accessible to people like designers who may not understand all of the fancy destructuring or array mapping happening in your JSX." isn't this like, at least a little backwards? JSX is HTML and JS. templating languages are HTML with some custom DSL. destructuring and especially mapping are pretty simple concepts. creating a new syntax to cater to people who c…

> JSX is HTML and JS (?) "JSX is a preprocessor step that adds XML syntax to JavaScript." http://buildwithreact.com/tutorial/jsx Whereas the templates in Glimmer are built on HTML. At the 10,000 ft view, my two cents: it looks easier to reason about what is going on with dynamic elements in the template via handlebars together with what is going with the html elements themselves in terms of rendering/appearance/css,…

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Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#108

Post by digitalengineer »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #76

This is the way not to design a landing page. 1) Ui components for what? 2) "Attention to detail of ember" - is that a quality comparison, or is it only for ember framework? 3) UI project without a single screenshot? 4) Doesn't mention one actual feature or component 5) GitHub link doesn't go to a repo. Instead it's a list of repos that you have to click around in to find the main project. 6) API docs link goes to a…

This is just an ad. Look at the DoubleClick script running on the page. No Google Analytics and/or Google Tag manager.

Re: Glimmer – Fast and light-weight UI components

#109

Post by ergo14 »

mhd wrote: post #104
ergo14 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that pyramid powers some of the most important infrastructure for python? Like new version of PYPI ( https://pypi.org/ )? And lots of big organizations use it - like Mozilla or NASA, sites like Reddit still use pylons. IF you think it went the way of the dodo, I'd suggest doing a bit of better research before predicting the future :D Because IMO you are seriously off here.

I'm talking about the trend of build-your-own frameworks, not the software itself. Heck, there are enough sites out there still using Zope, MASON and Aolserver.

Pyramid is feature complete as a framework in my opinion - with defaults requires less thinking vs. lets say flask - the resulting applications will be more elegant and better organized (partly because it doesn't use globals eveywhere). The glue is quite good nowdays.
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